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		<title>GEG / Guardian Equity Group Scam &#8211; Robert vs David Cullen Fiasco Unwinds, GEG / UPBAN Scam Follows Ponzi Scheme Trails</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In early September of 2009, I had been asked to review the Guardian Equity Group and then attempted to explain my honest opinions about the program as &#8220;nicely&#8221; as I could.  When comparing Guardian Equity to similar sophisticated, long-term ponzi schemes, GEG fit the bill without any doubt in my mind. In the previous article [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In early September of 2009, I had been asked to review the <strong>Guardian Equity Group </strong>and then attempted to explain my honest opinions about the program as &#8220;nicely&#8221; as I could.  When comparing Guardian Equity to similar sophisticated, long-term <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>ponzi schemes,</strong></span> GEG fit the bill without any doubt in my mind.</p>
<p>In the previous article weighing the likelihood of Guardian Equity being a scam, we discussed some of the major<span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong> red flags:</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>#1.</strong></span> GEG offered its investors between <strong>5.1% to 5.9%</strong> per week for nearly 50 weeks straight.  Some risky investments can occasionally return 20% to their investors, but such outrageous monthly performance without variance is <strong>absurd</strong> and essentially impossible in any financial market &#8211; and by &#8220;essentially impossible,&#8221; I mean a confidence level of 0.00000000001% &#8211; i.e. basically zero.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>#2.</strong></span> Not one single form of <strong>proof</strong> has ever been displayed or referred to GEG researchers, and the only ridiculous response that followed the questioning of this absence of proof was along the lines of: &#8220;<em>Oh&#8230;. well if you want to fly out to meet the people running the company, I know a guy who knows a guy whose best friend&#8217;s father has seen some proof regarding GEG. You could do the same.</em>&#8220;  As if I should be required to <strong>fly</strong> out a <strong>couple thousand miles</strong> just to receive proof of legal and ethical investments, as any <span style="text-decoration: underline;">professional</span> or respectable company would provide to its members via <strong>simple </strong>and convenient 24/7-available electronic resources?</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>#3.</strong></span> <strong>Discussion</strong> on GEG topics outside the officially approved &#8220;Guardian Equity forum&#8221; was <strong>forbidden.</strong> Many Guardian Equity members discussing the program outside their forum were threatened by other paranoid and/or self-righteous members and told they would be reported to GEG administration and have their accounts &#8220;banned.&#8221;  Guardian Equity refused to offer even the bare minimum proof of legitimate assets to their members, and yet these members couldn&#8217;t so much as let one peep of &#8220;GEG&#8221; outside the GEG forums without risking the safety of their account?</p>
<p><strong>&#8212; &#8212; &#8212;</strong></p>
<p>As of January 28, many Guardian Equity members are now familiar with the e-mail and follow-up sent by <strong>Mr. David Cullen</strong> and <strong>Robert</strong> of GEG, respectively.  David Cullen&#8217;s side of the story indicates that Robert was not only unqualified to handle thousands of trusting individuals&#8217; investments, but also that he does not necessarily plan on fulfilling promised payouts to GEG members.  Note that if Mr. Cullen&#8217;s testimony is true &#8211; i.e. Robert&#8217;s operation of the company was completely <strong>dysfunctional </strong>and unprofessional, <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>no</strong></span> <strong>records</strong> of trades or <strong>balance sheets</strong> existed, and the program&#8217;s investments (what&#8217;s left of them anyway) are &#8220;<em><strong>missing</strong></em>&#8221; &#8211; then Robert was most likely running nothing more than a crafty ponzi scheme model the entire time.</p>
<p>Considering the &#8220;creativity&#8221; that&#8217;s been witnessed throughout the history of major, long-term ponzi schemes in the HYIP industry, there is some legitimate debate about the possibility of this &#8220;Robert vs Mr. Cullen&#8221; fiasco being nothing more than a <strong>clever drama</strong> designed to buy the scam artists behind GEG some more time before they run off with the remnants of GEG members&#8217; money.  However, whether David Cullen is telling the truth or not, it appears Guardian Equity and the UPBAN (United Pacific Bancorp Limited) project is drawing its last breaths.</p>
<p>Activities on the official <strong>Guardian Equity</strong> <strong>forum</strong> were recently brought to a halt, leaving many GEG members complaining about being <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>unable</strong></span> to access any information for days.  Several testimonies by angry members have now been brought into light, many of which sound similar to the following:  &#8220;<span style="color: #ff0000;"><em>I have been patiently waiting for Guardian Equity to complete my withdrawal request for <strong>months!</strong> They reassured us on the forums that cashouts would soon resume, but now the forum is closed!!</em></span>&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Guardian Equity&#8217;s recent actions of closing its forum after releasing troublesome news to its &#8220;investors&#8221; is a coincidence of any sort.  I think the dark secrets behind the<strong> true</strong> operations of Guardian Equity are about to come into the<strong> light;</strong> the ponzi scheme pool has dried up, and efforts are already being made to silence the uproar that will soon develop.  Unfortunately, I fear the GEG operators are currently sitting on their island in the Carribean, smuggly counting the remains of loyal GEG investors&#8217; money, and attempting to plan their next steps to &#8220;close shop&#8221; for good.</p>
<p>Many Guardian Equity &#8220;investors&#8221; currently believe their funds are safely tucked away in <strong>CDs (certificates of deposit)</strong> issued by GEG / UPBAN.  CDs are generally issued by <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">banks</span></strong> to balance their assets, the most common of which are mortgage-backed securities for commerical and residential real estate.  However, I fear this was just another gimmick devised by GEG owners based on these simple reasons:</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>#1.</strong></span> United Pacific Bancorp is <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>NOT</strong></span> a legally registered <strong>bank</strong><br />
<span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>#2.</strong></span> GEG / UPBAN does <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>NOT</strong></span> even possess basic <strong>financial statements</strong> that prove the &#8220;CDs&#8221; it is offering are properly backed by real assets, as required by real organizations.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>&#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212;</strong></span></p>
<p>I have already explained this line of reasoning to many current GEG members, and most of them only ask me the following question:  <strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">&#8220;Should I withdraw my money?&#8221;</span></strong></p>
<p>Hopefully, those who recognize these intense red flags will still have the opportunity to reclaim at least a percentage of their investments; however, at this stage, don&#8217;t be surprised to hear many angry GEG members telling stories about delayed payments and little to no communication on GEG&#8217;s part.  If you are presented with an opportunity to <strong>withdraw</strong> some of your funds from GEG &#8211; even if you face a penalty &#8211; I recommend you do so<strong> immediately.</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>&#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212;</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>- Mr. Ryz</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mrryzfinancial.com/"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>www.MrRyzFinancial.com</strong></span></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>&#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; &#8212;</strong></span></p>
<p><em><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>Note:</strong></span> Comments will be enabled for those who wish to express their concerns or problems with Guardian Equity / UPBAN.  This is NOT the place, however, to rattle off cheerleader praise or &#8220;I was paid&#8221; rants.  These and all other off-topic comments will be deleted immediately.</em></p>
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