During the past year, I’ve had many friends call me up and several random people e-mail me about my thoughts concerning the Guardian Equity Group. The reports of their successful “trading” and payouts have reached the ears of many people who have been sick and tired of the dark HYIP / Autosurf Industry.
For the past 1.5 years, the Guardian Equity Group has generated an average of 5.6% per week for members. If a member decided to cash out his or her earnings each month, a 25% fee would be charged. However, those conditions were recently changed and a new policy was adopted: A 12.5% fee is now charged each month, whether the member withdraws money from his account or not. Weekly compounding has also been downgraded to monthly compounding.
What does this indicate? Well, if you’re searching for ponzi scheme red flags in Guardian Equity Group, technically any new policies that decrease earnings or add to the manager / administrator’s pocket do increase the likelihood that the program is attempting to slow the exponential drain on the ponzi money pot. However, this policy change alone is not enough to convict the group of operating a scam, in my opinion.
What does confuse me is the reasoning behind these changes according to GEG. The group states that these measures were taken to ensure that member’s money would never “run into risk,” based on “market uncertainties” during these days and months to come. I have spoken with experienced traders this past month, and none of them have mentioned any rising levels of “market uncertainties.” I would think Guardian Equity would have been wise to elaborate on this point, though in any case, I suppose a professional forex trader could always argue he “acknowledges trends that others don’t.”
What is my stance on the Guardian Equity Group?
I believe I was officially introduced to the GEG concept last November. I decided to watch on and stay updated within my own inner circle of private forex HYIP researchers. Eventually, I decided to decline any participation Guardian Equity Group, because I just wasn’t convinced their evidence for legitimate, long-term trading was strong enough.
These are the primary reasons I did not become involved with Guardian Equity Group:
#1. GEG traders have supposedly been earning over 5% each week. On average after compounding, that’s 20 – 25% per month. Now, I am most certainly willing to recognize and state that producing consistent profits in the 20 – 30% ROI range for short term intervals is very possible. I know some stock day-traders that have earned closer to 50% per month in the short term and kept their role or “lucky streak” (as one called it) going for more than 1 full quarter.
However, notice the key words here: SHORT TERM. All expert forex traders that I’ve discussed monthly trading performance with agree that turning a 20% profit or higher each and every month is essentially impossible. It doesn’t matter how advanced or particular your forex bot is – you can NOT have a perfect record and earn profits of those heights each and every month. As stated in previous articles, some of the richest forex traders in the world make over $1 Billion a year and don’t make any more than 5% per month. That’s something to think very seriously about.
#2. I haven’t met a single individual within the Guardian Equity Group that has seen even a shred of evidence regarding the existence of GEG’s trading activity. I acknowledge the standard argument: Trading reports are privileged information and cannot be publicly distributed. Sure, that’s quite understandable, but I’m surprised even some of the more loyal members haven’t been presented with any proof of legitimate profits. Even if someone were able to honestly claim they had seen the trading records, I suppose I would be at least somewhat relieved. From what I gather, no real evidence is available.
#3. Discussion of all Guardian Equity Group related topics is completely forbidden on all other forums. In fact, on one popular HYIP related forum, Money Maker Group (MMG), a member even threatened to report all other GEG members to the program’s administration if they were found posting about GEG related topics. Why is such strict censorship needed? I can understand if GEG wanted to restrict the full, private details about their investment activities and trading secrets to a specific level of membership. However, the acts of silencing all discussion about GEG on public forums does raise that inevitable question: “What exactly are they trying to hide?” To even obtain the information I have presented thus far, I had to bang on the backdoor of private contacts.
The Verdict on Guardian Equity Group: Scam Land or Road to Riches?
I know some current GEG members will reach this point and be compelled to rant along the lines of “How DARE you put the words ‘Guardian Equity Group scam and ponzi scheme’ together!!” Yet others who have heard of GEG and are dying to know the truth will be asking- “So, should I invest or not?”
Unfortunately, I don’t have enough evidence to make a strong prediction one way or the other at this given time. I have trained myself to carefully inspect any and all red flags that suggest ponzi scheme elements, and I will say that the Guardian Equity Group does have several characteristics that make me extremely skeptical. Most of these have already been summarized above, though I will provide updates if any shocking news should come my way.
What is my recommendation to current GEG investors? Well, I always had a golden rule back in the day: If a program ever started showing any signs of potential ponzi scheme elements, I made sure to immediately cash my money out and wait 6 – 12 months before re-entering. If the program is legitimate and can exist without new member’s investments, it will survive for another year. When most long term HYIP ponzi schemes start showing major red flags, they don’t even survive for another solid 2-3 months. Therefore, if you recognize the signs, make your move and make it fast!
In fact, here’s another golden investing rule worth mention: If you haven’t put yourself in a safe position, I recommend you immediately start taking money out so you are merely playing with profits. That way, if the worst should fall upon GEG, at least you didn’t lose any of your hard earned money. Good luck!
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- Mr. Ryz
102 comments
Deb says:
September 8, 2009 at 2:36 am (UTC -5)
Guardian equity didn’t really impress me either.. i have heard no complaints from people being stiffed but ..being honest I don’t believe money is coming from forex. too many programs have said it in the past and none seem to be honest.
I’ve been on the losing side before… have some money to invest and just don’t like anything I see out there right now so if anyone wants to give me their recommendation that would be swell but expect some questions. =)
avor says:
September 8, 2009 at 11:15 am (UTC -5)
is it a scam ? I have watched my money grow. from $1000 to $4000. so u tell me why would a scam 4x my money? Sounds like u just weren’t taking to the right people. and I know people that make much more than that.
crownzaucer says:
September 8, 2009 at 12:15 pm (UTC -5)
Hi avor, good to hear you’ve made money, but what’s your point? Being paid or making money doesn’t prove guardian eq is what it claims to be. How many have claimed the same and then run to the hills? some lucky people have earned far more than 4 times in forex scams before so you’re going to need to offer me a lot more than that before I’m convinced. Have you seen any investment proof? How about your sponsor?
Mr. Ryz says:
September 8, 2009 at 11:34 pm (UTC -5)
Hello avor-
I agree with crownzaucer on this one. The act of receiving “profits” or watching an account grow does nothing to prove legitimacy. If that was always true, we wouldn’t have to worry about the Bernard Madoffs in the world, would we?
I’m not entirely sure which “right people” you want me to talk to, but I assure you I have been speaking with unbiased parties involved with Guardian Equity. And, just like this blog, they’ve been observing GEG with a sense of reality.
If Guardian Equity is truly based on real trading and you know something I (or “we”) don’t, then congratulations on your profits. If not, you should exercise extreme caution as you participate in Guardian Equity any further. And that’s a general rule of investing- not an attempt to pick on or demean GEG.
- Mr. Ryz
vkc104 says:
September 9, 2009 at 2:17 pm (UTC -5)
Heey this is interesting because I looked at Guardian earlier. I’ve heard only good things about their forex but everything they do is SO SECRETIVE!!! I don’t trust what I can’t research. whether I invest or not depends on how long they last. If they are real then they should be here next year am I right? and i’m not in any hurry to dump money into something I’m given very little info about.
Deb says:
September 10, 2009 at 1:54 am (UTC -5)
Right I guess we’re just supposed to go with guardian equity b/c they SAY they invest in forex. if others are satisfied with that well go right ahead.. it just doesn’t go for me.
crownzaucer says:
September 15, 2009 at 2:33 am (UTC -5)
Like you Mr Ryz I don’t know enough to scream scam. and I have no issue remaining open minded, I’m just bothered by people in GEG that think it must be real forex just because they’ve been paid and that’s not true at all. If someone wants to show evidence of forex trades hey i guess we’re in business then and i’ll join the BELIEVERS. but until then I have no desire to part ways with my money and hope I get lucky with GEG
notme says:
September 15, 2009 at 8:27 pm (UTC -5)
None of you have to join GEG you are not forced to do anything. From what i can see NONE of you no what your talking about..i could tell you why its secretive but i won’t, GEG don’t need people like you in it. Deb, keep your money safe in the bank and good luck. Go avor, enjoy making money and don’t worry, GEG is the best. AND you Mr RYZ (who old are you)go take a hike.
crownzaucer says:
September 15, 2009 at 10:13 pm (UTC -5)
Hi notme, thank you for reassuring me that I don’t have to do anything with this group and now I certainly won’t. in fact I think I’ll definitely talk around and make sure no one else does either, when you have pompous asses such as yourself making fun of people trying to use common business sense when evaluating this company its pretty easy to tell that you’re just a member in a koolaid club. Enjoy your koolaid notme lol.
You tell people like me and Mr RYZ to go take a hike, he gives people nothing but reality and honest feedback. The first time i read his blog I knew I’d be back because the stuff displayed here is the real deal approached with REAL BUSINESS SENSE. If you can’t deal with that you should have probably just exited the site before making a stupid comment and making your hyped up scheme look even more unprofessional.
So GEG is the best is it? PROVE IT! Why is it that we get the occasional bragger about how great GEG really is but they offer nothing more than cheerleader drivel? could it be that the people in this program don’t even possess the knowledge to determine a good investment in forex hedging and can’t even form an intelligent defense? Sure seems so doesn’t it. and on that matter, you are a guest here on this blog notme so YOU go take a hike unless you have something worth typing. What a joke..
Mr. Ryz says:
September 16, 2009 at 12:35 am (UTC -5)
notme-
This isn’t another cheerleader haven. If you want to post emotional praise and bash all GEG contenders with nothing to back it up, there are several other forums and blogs better suited to your purpose.
And here’s a quick note and warning to everyone reading this line of discussion thus far:
Here, at the Ponzi Scheme Alert blog, I give my own unbiased opinions about programs that show potential ponzi scheme red flags. If you actually read the article (as I have severe doubts that “notme” did before posting), and if you have any experience in the HYIP industry, you’ll notice 2 things:
1. I clearly state that I did not have enough evidence to make a conclusion. I’m not telling you to invest, nor am I telling you not to invest. That’s your decision. In the process, I’m merely warning others about standard investing rules.
2. Regardless of my neutral stance for the time-being, GEG does indeed have several red flags. Only a foolish investor or novice would ignore them or have difficulty admitting they currently exist.
The fact that GEG members are so quick to spit on researchers that don’t blindly praise a program filled to the brim with secrets and suspicion does indeed raise another red flag. Are you GEG members investors or just emotional gamblers? That’s something to seriously think about.
- Mr. Ryz
notme says:
September 16, 2009 at 4:07 am (UTC -5)
I and many other have done research, there we are not all foolish people in GEG, there are some very wise investor in there that have done a lot of investigation. I have nothing further to say and i am glad YOU crownzaucer want nothing to do with GEG, maybe you where one off those that was kicked out? did these people get there money, yes they did, so if it was such a ponzi scheme why would GEG return there funds I am sure they are pisses off for trashing GEG & now have sour grapes..If you did your research you would find GEG does not run on 4X alone.
avor,if you ever visit this site again, I say, leave your money in GEG it will grow and you will be happy as and have a nice income like me :-}
Negativity breeds negativity..
Have a nice day
PS. pls don’t reply i never intent to visit this site again so your wasting your time.
Mr. Ryz says:
September 16, 2009 at 1:27 pm (UTC -5)
notme-
You were certainly right when you announced “I have nothing further to say.” There was no purpose is wasting your time composing those 2 additional paragraphs.
Just more of same cheerleader false logic I’m accustomed to seeing in these communities- “If they were a ponzi scheme, why would they pay?”
ALL long-term ponzi schemes pay for a period of time; otherwise they wouldn’t be able to continue the “rob Peter to pay Paul” money flow. That model can last for years in some rare cases, but sooner or later, the government intervenes or the illegal money pot runs out of green. The end results are devastating to the majority of “investors.”
Of course, once again, I must restate that I haven’t been able to determine whether or not Guardian Equity fits the horrid ponzi scheme model. This is just to show that “I was paid” is a dirt-poor argument of “proof” in itself.
If GEG truly is legitimate, I think it’s best to keep your word and never return to this site to comment. From my point of view, your responses appear purely emotional and damage your esteemed group’s reputation.
- Mr. Ryz
crownzaucer says:
September 16, 2009 at 5:17 pm (UTC -5)
notme, no I was not kicked out of your creepy lil GEG cult and i’m quite glad I never joined now. looks like another red flag to add to the list Mr Ryz, GEG kicks people out for questioning the investments? LOL sounds like a ponzi scheme group to me.
Please PLEASE OH wise notme share with us what GEG invests in besides forex because the only thing you’ve been able to bring to the table is trash talking bull hocky. You don’t even need to prove it I just want to hear what GEG people are putting all their faith in these days that would encourage you to cheer this thing on with such childish arrogance.
Sure the only pitiful half assed argument you can come up with is why would GEG pay if they werent ponzi? just like I asked avor last week since being paid means nothing HAVE YOU SEEN ANY PROOF OF INVESTMENTS?
If not shut your arrogant yap and stay away from this place, no one wants to read more cheerleader crap, we want the REAL deal!!
Deb says:
September 16, 2009 at 6:57 pm (UTC -5)
Wow what a kook.. notme people like you are exactly the reason I never felt safe joining Guardian equity. I’m just supposed to be satisfied that people say they are trading or otherwise I’m told you ‘don’t need me’ or don’t want me.. whatever
Then you talk as if my only other option is the bank? .. you sure don’t seem too bright to me buddyboy, and if you’re kind is all guardian has to offer i’m quite happy where I am thank you much.. Grow up a little.
mustang08 says:
September 16, 2009 at 9:25 pm (UTC -5)
I have been heavily researching Guardian Equity Group lately and found it very difficult to obtain information aside from the few testimonies on the internet.
Mister Ryz you do bring up noteworthy points that have me at similar crossroads. Like you I find 5% roi each week very hard to swallow.
Proof as so many here have demanded appears to be nonexistent and if no one wants to demonstrate it then I feel the responsible thing to do is to sit out on Guardian.
I do know someone who has recovered a profit but even he didn’t sound particularly optimistic about Guardian’s operations. He sounded confused and just happy to make a little easy money.
I hope those of you in Guardian Equity didn’t bet the farm because this all sure looks unstable to me. Be careful and take a profit while you can.
Paul
Randy says:
September 17, 2009 at 1:30 am (UTC -5)
My wife is in this and we’ve been doing prety good so far but we made sure to take our profit asap. After we cashed out we’re up +$1000. Truthfully we don’t know what to think of the investments and don’t know diddly about forex but were going to let those profits build as long as we can. There is a point we have in mind that we’ll take everything and leave. I’ve noticed nothing like this lasts forever and comes a time when you should take your money and say that’s enough.
optrix says:
September 20, 2009 at 11:56 pm (UTC -5)
Whether or not guardian equity fund is scam you must admit they have their act together no worry on getting paid on time ,happy to be with them i think people should just rmember to play safe,go GO GEG !
jaxjag says:
September 22, 2009 at 3:45 pm (UTC -5)
During November 08 I invested $9,000. I have withdrawn over $17,500 while my balance has grown to over $60,000.
Interesting program!!!
I enjoy listening to all of the know it alls.
crownzaucer says:
September 22, 2009 at 9:13 pm (UTC -5)
Randy, i’d be very careful about getting greedy in this one and i think you are wise for playing smart. There’s no evidence proving this is an intelligent investment for the long term so get your principal out when you can and then pick a point in the near future where you will be happy to withdraw everything and enjoy your profit. take a profit while you can in these internet schemes or you’ll wake up one morning and realize you lost it
crownzaucer says:
September 22, 2009 at 9:30 pm (UTC -5)
jaxjag, maybe instead of just listening to the know it alls you should think about taking another small step and start doing what they say.
WOWWY YOW jaxjag, you made nearly a 10,000 profit and you have another $60,000 down the line. while you’re doing your flip flops we ‘know it alls’ are supposed to drop our jaws and admit that the program must be real and not another scam right??
WRONG pal. very likely all the money you’ve withdrawn is just theft from other GEG people who also placed their money with the group. and in that case you won’t be smarting off about how wealthy this scheme has made you NO you’ll be hoping you arent brought before a court for illegal gains. have you referred anyone to GEG jaxjag? guess what THEY can SUE you too if they lose their money!!
I am REALLY growing tired of GEG koolaid cheerleaders doing nothing more than bragging about how much money they’ve made thinking it should somehow impress people trying to do DD. nope, just makes you people look clueless and immature.
Something history teaches us is that some people will always drink the koolaid no matter how much you protest, so I guess there will always be a handful of people who need to get hurt and learn things the hard way. GEG cheerleaders are no exception.
Broker Jones says:
September 22, 2009 at 10:28 pm (UTC -5)
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Mr. Ryz says:
September 23, 2009 at 3:25 am (UTC -5)
Hey Broker,
Thanks for stopping by. Yes, I think the Oceanside Network is going to bring hope to a lot of people still clinging to the HYIP / Autosurf Industry that has brought scam after scam…
I also think you’ll have more than just a “little something” to back your blog comment up with in the upcoming months.
- Mr. Ryz
jaxjag says:
September 23, 2009 at 6:25 am (UTC -5)
Hey crownzaucer,
What type of cheese do you like with your mortality (wining)???
jaxjag says:
September 23, 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC -5)
For crownzaucer,
Instead of your mortality, I am referring to your morality when you infer that my withdrawal is theft. That would only be so if I knew GEG was a scam. What you do not understand nor do you care to know is that I have visited with the staff of GEG numerous times and I am confident that GEG is exactly as it advertises. Providing you or anyone else with documents of trades would never satisfy you nor anyone else who have already made their minds up.
Again, please let me know how you like your cheese.
crownzaucer says:
September 23, 2009 at 12:54 pm (UTC -5)
jaxjag, oh brother you couldn’t possibly be more wrong. if GEG is a scam and you get pushed into court your withdrawal will be considered theft whether you claim to KNOW GEG was a scam or not. Don’t believe me?? do a little research and you’ll find the same.
Also what kind of stupid statement is that, providing us with documents of trade would not satisfy us? have you failed to read the other comments here?? PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR PROOF!! and if you want to take a few seconds to scroll up you’ll find that a great deal of people were inches away from joining GEG but 2 things kept them back, failure of GEG to provide any proof of their claims and wacky members acting like immature bigshots.
If you provided people with those documents and it was real they’d join, it’s that simple. that’s true of anything in this industry, the problem is that many people, like YOURSELF, make bullheaded statements about seeing all these wonderful things from the staff and having proof, BUT they’re not going to waste time sharing because everyone is just too negative. right?
What a load of crock! A little business 101 would do you some good here. smart people don’t just jump into cute investment programs on the internet because some guy says he trades forex, NO. they perform DD and get proof of investment activity before sending their money off. THATS why people like me are asking for proof because any responsible person in this country realizes how bonepicking stupid it is to put trust in some guy that can’t back up any of his claims and then send him a load of hard earned cash.
BUT NOOOO, your GEG club expects people to just toss their money in the air and hope for the best. what a complete joke!
jaxjag says:
September 23, 2009 at 1:50 pm (UTC -5)
crownzaucer,
Boy……………do you have an anger management problem or do you just enjoy getting off on people. However, I will try to understand that you are here to think for everyone else. You know better than everyone else and because of this you are smarter than everyone else.
So go ahead and be the online policeman. Oh, don’t forget,,,,,,,,,,,,how do you like your cheese with your wine?
crownzaucer says:
September 23, 2009 at 2:40 pm (UTC -5)
jaxjag, LOL nice going there. AWW don’t have any answers to what I posted earlier do you bigshot? no more stupid statements about all the wonderful proof you have obtained??
The way you and GEG conducts their business activity is an absolute joke and the only response you have is to spin this into some kind of pity party, like you’re the victim of an angry lunatic.
Oh BOOO HOO, poor jaxjag. actually you GEG jokers are really bringing the truth into the light. you boast and then respond like an absent minded ponzi cheerleader. I don’t care if you can’t see it because others will and then decide not to join the guardian equity ponzi cult. Anyway i believe you have a pity party to get back to, just don’t stay up too late realizing that you’re the only one going to the party rofl.
J.G.T. Evans says:
September 23, 2009 at 8:03 pm (UTC -5)
This is all very interesting material.
I also believe the Guardian Equity Group , or Fund , is a scam. Real forex hedging groups , PPPs , and IHPs do not place minimums on investments , they require very large premiums , and an even larger principal for all new accounts. Most professional groups servicing investors in excess of $500 K do not promise or deliver a return greater than 50% / yr.
Assuming Guardian Equity Group does not impose a minimum investment, using 5% returns / wk, $1 mil would return the following in 1 year:
$12.64 mil
Then in 3 years:
$2.02 bil
In 5 years:
$323 bil
Past this 5 year point, we begin to reach investment levels that are not feasible even for elite traders.
Guardian Equity performance is outrageously unrealistic within the forex market or any other market open for international trade or arbitrage opportunities.
I advise others to let Guardian Equity pass by.
—
JGT Evans
crownzaucer says:
September 24, 2009 at 3:14 pm (UTC -5)
JGT evans, I agree with all of that. very good comparison between forex trading wannabees and people that actually DO place their money with companies that can produce those larger Rois.
I think you have a great deal more experience than me so if you’re still around i have a question for you. Is 5% a week possible for the traders you just mentioned?
Drew says:
September 27, 2009 at 1:31 pm (UTC -5)
JaxJag you’re full of it. I’ve asked a couple of your comrades for proof of registered investment, and had they provided it, I would happily be standing in line with you and Guardian equity. Mister crownzaucer here needs to take a chill pill or 2 yes, but he’s right about you saying that proof wouldn’t convince any of us on the outside being pure nonsense. Seriously what is wrong with you Guardian equity people anyway? Seems there’s only two logical posibilities, GEG is either too lazy to spend a few seconds dispersing proof or they don’t have anything at all. Period. Which is it JaxJag?
jaxjag says:
September 29, 2009 at 7:13 am (UTC -5)
Hello Drew,
Your question was: Seems there’s only two logical posibilities, GEG is either too lazy to spend a few seconds dispersing proof or they don’t have anything at all. Period. Which is it JaxJag?
My answer: I am becoming wealthy and you are not.
In reality…nothing else really matters……not percentages, not if they are 1% or 20%, not whether one trader thinks it is so or not, not whether GEG wants to provide the records or not. It does not matter in the end what you or anyone else thinks. I am becoming financially free because of my decision to join like minded people that operate based on a belief of sovereignity and freedom.
To you and others that may be a bunch of silliness. If not, get on an airplane and go visit the person you need to speak with in order to find out for your self.
He is very easy to find if you really want to.
Life is grand!!!!
Karl says:
September 29, 2009 at 2:31 pm (UTC -5)
Why does this blogger bother to post about GEG without having investigated it at all?
Does he know many members have met with the owner, staff and visited the offices? Many have gone several times and report back in the private forum? Of course this blogger wouldn’t know a thing since he passed, and didnt subscribe to the offer and Robert’s way of thinking contained in his e-books. You can only go so far with conjecture and opinion. No other company allows this much transparency – if you know how to seek it. Just sayin, failure to follow-through does not make one the source of any info whatsoever.
Drew says:
September 29, 2009 at 5:08 pm (UTC -5)
Ok JaxJag, you didn’t answer my first question but you did answer another question that I never took the time to ask. I wondered what qualified you as someone capable of determining a legitimate forex hedging based investment group and now I can clearly see you don’t even rank on the scale. I ask why proof isn’t dispersed ( as any professional group would include ) and you respond as if my only concern should be your temporary ability to earn some money? Wow JaxJag. WOW! Do you have any idea how many scams have been built through flocks of people with that same careless and irresponsible attitude? If you don’t think realistic numbers as gains mean anything you should not be advising people.
You are not only not qualified but in fact you are dangerous. People with that viewpoint can fall into scam after scam and lose a great deal of money. You might have gotten lucky with Guardian Equity, but that doesn’t mean you’ll get lucky again or that you will even keep all that money. The law has really upped their game dealing with such programs. I am very disappointed to hear all this because I was hoping the structure and optimism of Guardian Equity would be different from that of a CEP or Udachu Invest but it just isn’t, not even a tiny ounce. Greed is back in the sack and it’s new name is Guardian Equity. That’s all I see and you have completely failed to demonstrate otherwise. Scratch that, you’ve actually raised support for the argument that Guardian Equity should be put on a higher watchlist for ponzi scheme activity.
Then finally to Karl. Your post has a humorous ignorance I find difficult to address in its entirety. Tell me Karl do you really believe that in order to be recognized as someone who ” investigated ” Guardian Equity I should be required to fly all the way to the company to obtain any evidence worth weighing? Another one for you Karl while we’re on a role, do you think that wacky method of research is even slightly acceptable for a legalized hedging group in the United States? Here, let me give you a hint before you respond..
NO
crownzaucer says:
September 29, 2009 at 8:52 pm (UTC -5)
jaxjag, you really need to stop making an ass out of yourself if you don’t want GEG to implode sooner than later. i’m amazed at your recent display of mindless cheerleader arrogance. Drew asks a simple question and you respond with “I am becoming wealthy and YOU ARE NOT.”
Good gracious, what a foolish and arrogant remark. how do you know how wealthy Drew is becoming? how do you know he isn’t making more than you right NOW? you cheerleaders absolutely amaze me, not only do you fail to give any support for this spooky program that you hype up on the sole basis of “I got paid” but you also divide everyone else who doesn’t praise your precious GEG group into some category of people that must be a sack of broke losers. guess what jaxjag? Even if GEG was legit it certainly wouldn’t be the only way for someone to achieve financial freedom and for anyone to even assume so demonstrates a tremendous amount of ignorance.
Funny that all this is coming from the same guy that had the gall to accuse me of being the one who acted like a know-it-all. GEG has turned you into one confused hypocrite jaxjag. drew suggested you aren’t qualified to give investment advice but I question whether someone of your immaturity is qualified to balance a basic checkbook. i sure hope you aren’t running a family with your scatterbrained mindset, hopefully you’re just a young kid who just needs to learn an important lesson in responsibility before he’s exposed to the real world too much longer.
crownzaucer says:
September 29, 2009 at 9:08 pm (UTC -5)
karl, I think i can agree with you to one extent but conjecture and opinion is rather vague here. we’re dealing with repetitive observation and safety and if you disagree it’s probably because you havent’ watched the internet and the forex scams and Hyip waste it has produced over the past 10 years. and since the shoe appears to fit its up to GEG to prove that it doesn’t. otherwise we all have to be safe and assume its just another ponzi run.
ANY professional would accept that GEG owes the burden of proof to US in standard form and by standard I don’t mean something as outrageous as having to fly all the way to the owner for the complete picture. that’s not how a respectable business operates in this country. but GEG just wants you to fork over the money. uh uh doesn’t work that way. that’s how millions of people get scammed every year and those who want to do the research will conclude the same. i see drew made references to some other ponzi failures and yes i agree the mentality we see from GEG members here in this blog matches up with the same stuff we saw in those scams. THOSE people had to eat their words and let me tell you, the words were SOUR!! some of the people making comments here are probably going to find themselves in the same boat.
jaxjag says:
September 30, 2009 at 8:00 am (UTC -5)
hey crownzaucer:
You say…..ANY professional would accept that GEG owes the burden of proof to US.
Haven’t you figured it out yet, GEG does not owe you anything.
You say……Even if GEG was legit it certainly wouldn’t be the only way for someone to achieve financial freedom and for anyone to even assume so demonstrates a tremendous amount of ignorance.
And what is wrong with GEG providing financial freedom? Is it because you have decided that it is not legit? You make many accusations, but have no facts to prove anything. Just maybe, you are the one who is igorant.
Those of us who have been a part of GEG for many months really do not care what other’s opinions are. However, we do become quite amused at the insistance by some such as yourself that GEG must be a scam or ponzi. But what is really hillarious, is to heard statements such as “a legalized hedging group in the United States,” as a standard to judge an investment by. Why would anybody want to use the US, Canada or Europe as the standard to judge investments?
This is why I made the previous statement about common beliefs in sovereignity and liberties. We are not interested in what the norm may be in the UK or USA. Years from now GEG will still be operating as it is today providing many of us the means to achieve financial freedom and you and your likes will still be insisting that we are arrogant and GEG just can not be so.
Life is GRAND!!
crownzaucer says:
September 30, 2009 at 1:09 pm (UTC -5)
jaxjag, your idiocy masterpieces just get worse and worse. OH GEG does not owe us anything huh? you don’t give a damn about American and European standards of investment regulation? here’s your reason to care … IT’S ILLEGAL TO OFFER INVESTMENTS WITHOUT PROPER REGISTRATION and that goes for any country that GEG solicits investors from. You want to toss the powers that be aside and pretend they don’t exist? go right ahead and once you grow large enough and the US catches hold of your illegal scheme they will stop you dead in your tracks, arrest all owners and perpetrators and everyone’s money will be seized. doesn’t matter jaxjag if YOU don’t like the investment regulation of the world powers, if you don’t comply you get BURNED and once you’re thrown before a court guess how well your cute ignorant statement of “we are not interested in what the norm may be” will hold up?
LOL i can officially tell that you’re a complete business newbie that read into GEGs hype and quickly believed every last bit of it just because they started paying you. its the same with most first timer cheerleaders of crazy cults like this one. clearly you failed to do any real research into investment group regulations and penalties because your new invincibility complex with GEG is just one hilarious pile of bs. i know, your too blinded by GEG delusions to see it now but you’ll learn soon enough.
Nikola says:
September 30, 2009 at 4:56 pm (UTC -5)
HEY CLOWN SAUCER
The ONLY reason ur whining is don’t make money. Guardian is a great program who has the creditbility from over 1000 people u could listen to. Get your facts straight befor u speak.but hey u continue to live your average life while we guardian ingorants live great ones. we dont care about u. go bitch about somthign else!!!!
crownzaucer says:
September 30, 2009 at 11:52 pm (UTC -5)
LOL seriously? “clown saucer”??
I’m not even going to dignify this yapping kid’s sporadic rant with a response. unless someone wants to post a comment directed at me with a maturity level above 12 year old punk i see no reason to bother giving the effort.
Karl says:
October 1, 2009 at 7:14 am (UTC -5)
Well… alrighty then.
GEG owes nothing to the US of A (the late great) and anyone who does not know legalese and custom-defined terms such as “U.S. citizen” within applicable statutes is ignorant of the laws in the US. I am no noob.
Spreading lies and disinformation as to who can participate is a credit to code writing lawyers who delend on its citizens to not read the custom redefined terms, and ASSume the law, and to those it addresses can somehow apply to the entire population. Far from it.
Also;
GEG is NOT a hedge fund, where TF did you get that idea ? More ASSumption? Yep.
It is a good thing people like you – which there are plenty of, are not capable of learning and discerning the truth, investigating for oneself or understanding the literal meaning US laws. You would make a great “US citizen” ( federal govt worker/one working and living in a territory of the US) – crownsaucer.. this was in response to your misinformation; you have much to learn. Don’t let your ego get in the way.
Karl says:
October 1, 2009 at 7:26 am (UTC -5)
Just saw the “SEC” comment omg.. aren’t they that fabulous govt. run program set up to protect Americans under their own jurisdiction from scams?
can I say>>>
MADDOFF?? !!! nuf said. Do NOT think for an instant the SEC wasn’t paid off with this decades old scammer, and many others. Shameful. How many Americans trusted the SEC and lost their their wealth while Maddoff ran the largest scam ever right under the SEC’s nose! No thanks, I’ll use other jurisdictions until the day the US corruption network of lies and brainwashing is ended.
That means the “FED” is gone – or have you not gotten your edumashun on the “Federal Reserve” banksters yet? One step at a time!
jaxjag says:
October 1, 2009 at 8:04 am (UTC -5)
Hello crownzaucer,
I admit that there is alot that I do not know. However, when I read your response about GEG it is obvious that you are the one that knows very little about what you write about.
I suggest that you do some research into off shore intities and investments and then you might be able to have an intelligent exchange with people instead of acting like some grade school bully who only knows how to insult people.
crownzaucer says:
October 2, 2009 at 1:31 am (UTC -5)
Karl, WRONG! You are DEAD WRONG!!!
I have heard 1000 wackos and their investing clubs use that one before and it is such arrogant bs.
OH yeah and i completely agree GEG is not a hedge fund in fact if i brought that up it was because one of your fellow GEG cheerleaders brought it up and started comparing GEG to a real hedge fund. so what is GEG? well let’s see, they claim to trade forex, “rob banks” and goodness knows what else LOL ROFLMAO
Okay now seriously what is GEG? it’s just an investment club operating illegally brought to a bunch of ignorant members who are looking for a magical get rich quick ticket. Karl and jaxjag you both insist that i look into off shore “entities” (nice spelling there jaxjag LOL) as if GEG is somehow exempt from all US regulations. well let me put it to you real fast…… You’re WRONG again!!! ( no surprise though)
Guess what? It doesn’t matter if the GEG group is registered in Panama. it doesn’t matter if they’re registered in Switzerland, hell it doesn’t even matter if they’re registered in the freakin lost city of Atlantis!! offshore registrations and individual accounts alone won’t protect the skin on your back!
IF THEY SOLICIT INVESTORS FROM THE U.S they must first register with the SEC before accepting money. LOL and why aren’t the GEG superboys properly registered with the SEC? because it is illegal to grab a bunch of money from thousands of people, throw it in one giant pot and just start investing it somewhere in some market. that kind of activity has been a truckload of SEC violations for 80 years.
Now to follow your SEC comments sure i agree US agencies are full of corrupt bs. you don’t have to like them but that still doesn’t mean GEG can prance around as if the world’s largest economies aren’t going to fight back against illegal investment clubs. it’s not just the US after all, canada and Great britain have similar registration requirements.
OH and karl you dance all day with the term “literal” when talking about US law. really! have fun with that because at the end of the day all that matters is how current law is interpreted and what penalties are rained upon those who choose to disobey. you don’t get a cookie for joining a club of get rick quick seekers jumping on crazy dreams. ignore that law of the land because your own justifications sound better than modern interpretation and you STILL get BURNED in the end.
All this is just assuming that GEG doesn’t even run on a ponzi scheme basis which i still highly doubt. ponzi schemes are purely illegal in all countries but just thought I should make it clear that even if GEG found a real magical ticket they’re not as invincible as they’d like to believe. not even close. time for you GEG cheerleaders to do some real research into the legal environment. your accusations against the corruption of the system is dead on, but the arrogance and false sense of invincibility is really going to come back to pound GEG and its mega promoters sooner or later.
i’ve seen identical arrogant programs go through this and they either fizzle out in a year or two because they were a ponzi or they grow so large the government agencies start to catch wind of their existence, find out they are not legally registered and POOF the program dies and everyone’s money is confiscated. offshore isn’t going to save you. they’ll track your accounts and you will pay the price. don’t let GEG delusions think you’re as bulletproof as you’d like to believe. You’re NOT! if anything you’re asking BIG BROTHER to take a shot at you, and you can be sure he’ll oblige.
jaxjag says:
October 2, 2009 at 10:35 am (UTC -5)
Hello crownzaucer,
You throw alot of verbage and honestly it peaked my interest. So I called a guy at the SEC as well as one at the CFTC.
Guess what they told me. First, it is legal for a US citizen to take their $$$$, get on an airplane, boat or whatever and go the a non US location and invest in anything they want to. Furthermore, if what you are investing in is through a foreign company that invests through a brokerage, there is NO reporting required of this brokerage on the part of the US citizen nor the foreign entity.
However, always remember to report and pay any taxes you may owe the US Gov.
crownzaucer, you really know how to blow the smoke!!!
Life is GRAND!
Karl says:
October 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC -5)
wow I couldnt read that long tiatribe by crown.. but I know I am right 100% ;>) That’s as far as it goes
Karl says:
October 2, 2009 at 12:14 pm (UTC -5)
dang.. no edit spell check button LOL
Jaxjag, you are right, and straight from the Horses moth too.
CHEERS!!!!
crownzaucer says:
October 2, 2009 at 1:43 pm (UTC -5)
jaxjag, actually i give you a shimmer of credit for that one. that would be completely true… if YOU personally went oversees and invested in that company on non US soil. BUT YOU DIDN’T!!! GEG is soliciting people on US soil.
Next time you call the SEC I want you to present them with an accurate question! seriously you go right ahead, pick up the phone and ask them this “is it legal for an operation oversees to solicit investors on US soil through a brokerage or company that is not properly registered with the SEC?” and don’t you dare lie to me and say every GEG member has their own offshore account or doesn’t reside on US soil!! i personally know that would be a load of crap.
crownzaucer says:
October 2, 2009 at 1:52 pm (UTC -5)
Karl, reached the end of your rope? All you can respond with is “uhhhh i won’t read that because I know I am right” cheerleader crap? fine by me i guess. funny how quickly you went from total loudmouth to completely lazy and arrogant. haha just another mark of a ponzi scheme cult. You’re right that is as far as it goes, Karl, you have no defense and you’re probably just wishing on a ponzi star like i suspected all along.
Mr. Ryz says:
October 2, 2009 at 3:38 pm (UTC -5)
Greetings. It’s been a while since I took the time to post my thoughts in this article’s comment section. The conversation has taken an interesting turn into the topic of legal registrations. I admit I find that discussion particularly interesting, though I wasn’t expecting to see it discussed under this article.
I have a few thoughts I wanted to share after reading through the last 20 posts. First of all, it wouldn’t kill you all to treat each other with a little more respect. Maybe I’m reading into the tone and context of the posts a little too far, but it appears like a hostile exchange in many instances.
Secondly, to Crownzaucer and Jaxjag-
I was also once convinced that an offshore account or trust would break the invasive barriers established by our very own FTC and SEC in the United States. Then I attended a convention last summer and listened to the horror story of a member of a private investment group known as CEP. She was led to believe that her own offshore entity would firmly protect her.
However, the government eventually demanded that CEP turn over their assets to prove the validity of their claims. Once the SEC noted the structure of CEP’s operations, they confiscated all remaining assets and charged them will selling unregistered securities. The member I previously mentioned thought she was perfectly safe, until government employees came banging on her door and searched for her offshore account. Her offshore funds were confiscated.
The morale of the story: Don’t underestimate the power of the U.S. government.
Please be careful, Jaxjag. I know you may feel safe, but I don’t see any major difference between Guardian Equity, CEP, and other so-called “offshore private programs” that were eventually cracked by the wolves. I hate the system too, but it exists in a horrific, ruthless form. You must exercise extreme caution.
Anyway, that’s all I personally care to discuss about the legalities of these structures for now, as that leads to an entirely different, complex topic. Feel free to continue your discussion, I just wanted to quickly share one of my experiences.
- Mr. Ryz
jaxjag says:
October 3, 2009 at 5:10 pm (UTC -5)
Thanks for your input Mr. Rye,
By the way, where was CEP located?
Thanks.
Mr. Ryz says:
October 3, 2009 at 5:47 pm (UTC -5)
Hello jaxjag,
The tragedy of CEP was rather scattered, from what I understand. CEP Holdings, Inc. and Colonendparanthesis, LLC controlled all CEP assets and both were seized by the SEC for securities fraud. Some members with large gains had offshore accounts, but I don’t know if CEP ever transferred their entire asset base offshore or not before the SEC became involved.
Members with the highest levels of profits were sued by the Receiver for their entire investment. In other words, if someone invested $10,000 and turned a profit of $40,000, the Receiver sued the member for the entire $50,000. Offshore accounts only delayed the reclaim of the so called “illegal gains;” they did not protect the profiting member.
Many followers of the industry (including me) suspected that CEP was running an illegal ponzi scheme operation all along and future updates suggested the same. However, the CEP “insiders” claimed that real profits were generated through an ethical model and if the SEC had not interfered, the program could have sustained itself.
I never fully discovered which was true; however, in either case, CEP was in clear violation of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Act of 1934. That was enough for the SEC to step in and say: “Game over!”
- Mr. Ryz
jaxjag says:
October 3, 2009 at 6:39 pm (UTC -5)
Mr. Ryz,
Again, thank you for the information.
Glopez says:
October 8, 2009 at 11:27 am (UTC -5)
how can you join the GEG? Just wondering, do you have to be invited or whats the deal
bassman says:
October 8, 2009 at 5:59 pm (UTC -5)
You’re actually looking at joining this thing? My gracious just look at the catch line “professional bank robbers?” WTF?? Does that really sound like a good investment to anyone?
Then try researching online. You’ll find they aren’t even a registered company instead theyre piggybacking off a real company known as Equity Guardian Group, LLC. Clever but dirty.
If anyone really thinks this Guardian Equity sham is built to last I have a bridge I’m looking to sell. Jus call me up at 1 – 800 – BIG SUCKER
jaxjag says:
October 9, 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC -5)
bassmman,
You certainly do not know what you are writing about. Do you know who “they” are? No you don’t.
Why don’t you go do some research yourself? Equity Guardian Group, LLC is a domestic company.
GEG is a registered Dominican Republic company. There is no piggybacking except in the eyes of someone that doesn’t know what he/she writes about.
bassman says:
October 9, 2009 at 6:00 pm (UTC -5)
HAAHAHAA! So Guardian equity is some Dominican Republican co. That’s some funny stuff.
The rubes running this sham aren’t as dumb as I thought.
GAME PLAN:Set up a company outside America, take all the money from Americans, pay off the early birds and get them to hype it all the way to town, and then one day when the pot is ripe with money skip away, retire, and screw the rest of their gang.
There’s plenty of piggybacking going on here. Don’t believe Guardian Equity’s finest collection of wolves, such as our little buddy jaxjag here. Do your own research. Equity Guardian Group, LLC [the legal one] issued a warning that Guardian Equity was using it’s good name to bring attention, probably also to confuse people.
WOW!!!!! What an honest company, that Guardian Equity! Still want to do business with them anyone? Meanwhile I still have my hotline ready if anyone wants to buy that bridge I’m trying to sell.
crownzaucer says:
October 10, 2009 at 5:52 pm (UTC -5)
bassman, you said it pal! very good explanation! You know what GEG is, i know what GEG is, mature adults will also figure out what GEG is, just a BIG scam! if anyone wants to invest in such a shady enterprise and believe the cheerleaders hey, go right ahead flush your money down the toilet.
Using Guardian Equity as a name was definitely a strategy, it’s so obvious. search for guardian equity on google and sure enough you’ll find equity guardian’s site on the first page. makes the due diligence process all the more confusing, and i’m sure it was deliberate. very sly indeed!
jaxjag says:
October 10, 2009 at 9:20 pm (UTC -5)
Hello bassman/crownzaucer,
Don’t bother getting the flu shot. What the two of you need is for ignorance and stupidity.
If the two of you were living in the 1500s, you would be screaming that the earth was flat and calling everybody that left on a boat and return as running a scam.
You poor sad ignorant people.
I am so thankful that I see the world different than the two of you.
Life is GRAND!
crownzaucer says:
October 11, 2009 at 1:33 am (UTC -5)
jaxjag get lost! you’re such a pitiful GEG cheerleader. each time you post you have nothing more to say than arse smooching praise for this scam. why? all just because you were PAID! you don’t argue any logical points instead you just insult everyone who doesn’t act like you and toss their hard earned money into this joke. your idea of seeing the world different is playing the part of a gullible fool.
I would say i can’t wait until GEG dies and you have to give account for your immaturity, but let’s face it, you probably won’t have the guts to come back here and admit what a ponzi cheerleading birdbrain you really were all along. you’ll eat your words in time i guarantee it! Come back when you have something of substance. joining an obvious scam and comparing everyone to closed minded thinkers isn’t doing your case any good. you just look plain old pathetic.
Anyone says:
October 11, 2009 at 11:17 am (UTC -5)
I am not a member of this program but have been doing some serious research in the past six months. I stumbled upon this blog while doing my research. What I found here are the most uneducated waste of spaces (Clown Saucer and Assman)I have ever encountered on the internet, which is a big honor because there is lots of competition.
The one thing you can say about this program is what you are all missing. They DO NOT promote at all. They DO NOT want referrals. They are HARD to find on the net. You CAN visit them personally anytime you would like (MANY have).
You couple of Dumb Asses act like they are a Ponzi. Well I can tell you that they have less than 2k actual members and grow at a snails pace. That would be the worst Ponzi set up ever.
My advice to you Cock Gobblers is get you head out of your Asses before you make yourselves look any Dumber.
Anyone says:
October 11, 2009 at 11:21 am (UTC -5)
Oh and by the way Clown Sauser…..You Mom is calling….Your Hot-Pocket is ready
Stop playing on your computer and eat your dinner with Mommy…..You worthless internet tough guy.
crownzaucer says:
October 11, 2009 at 5:55 pm (UTC -5)
LOL lucky me the 12 year old spaz dubbing me “clown sauser” returns. funny how this chump claims he isn’t part of the GEG scam and yet somehow knows beyond any doubt they are legit just because they don’t have a couple million members yet. yeah, after all the psycho babble from your pathetic rant we really believe your an unbiased researcher in all this…… NOT!!!
Mentally unstable blowhards like you “anyone” really do make me laugh. also funny how you throw in the mother jokes about me but then you’re the one who rants out of uncontrollable anger like some messed up child looking for an alley fight after the school bell rings.
Just one question, kid.
did jaxjag hire you to win his battles for him? LOL you GEG cheerleading asses don’t have any logical arguments so it figures you arrogant punks would look for other ways to boost your false invincibility delusions.
My advice for you, kid, finish highschool, do your best to find a community college that will accept you and take whatever job will be willing to hire. worry about starting the family once you get a full grip on your severe emotional problems.
Mr. Ryz says:
October 11, 2009 at 7:42 pm (UTC -5)
- ATTENTION PLEASE, EVERYONE -
If you want to bicker and participate in name-calling, please relocate to a different blog or forum.
This conversion is quickly turning from healthy discussion to childish banters and trolling. It’s growing rather sickening and I’m not going to tolerate it anymore.
Act your age, please! Otherwise your comment privileges will be disabled.
- Mr. Ryz
jaxjag says:
October 12, 2009 at 5:18 am (UTC -5)
Interesting…………..what battle?
I don’t see or hear of anyone worth fighting.
Life is GRAND!!
bigshell says:
October 13, 2009 at 1:07 am (UTC -5)
Sorry Mr ryz I have to be honest this is as big an internet scam as they come. I know you’re trying to see things from the neutral side but there is no doubt in my mind.
I do trade fx and financial derivs and I know of one colleague that wanted to start his own brokerage. Fees are outrageous. He wanted to use internet portals as ads for a venture but his legal rep just laughed at him and asked which hand he wanted cuffed first.
He was earning avg 6% still not bad, but 20% from gurdian equity ea month no variance???? Oh plz Thats not real!! No way no how.
If perf records were really 20% p month they would find big investors or just spend all the time trading for themselves. Why would they need or even want our money and take the trouble??
Lots of good people in guardian equity are on top of scam city and dont have a clue. ” Under a bees nest and about to stand up too quickly ” as we used to say it. Rough deal for some these trusting folks really is
crownzaucer says:
October 14, 2009 at 2:51 pm (UTC -5)
Mr ryz, I appreciate your effort to keep the floors clean around here but i don’t really understand what you want from me. if someone is going to argue for a scam with a stupid immature point i’m going to call it just that and show them how pathetic it was. A spade is a spade is it not?
I can’t really help it if ignorant cheerleaders start shouting away, that’s just what cheerleaders do and if someone doesn’t point out their nonsense, other people coming to this blog may actually think GEG is a good deal for quick riches. the ignorant always love a good cheerleader argument to justify throwing their money in a shady program, so i’m going to prevent that from happening if I can.
Mr. Ryz says:
October 14, 2009 at 10:45 pm (UTC -5)
Crownzaucer,
Presenting your arguments and debating others’ points can be accomplished without adding insults. That’s the main issue here.
Clearly, people are going to continue to disagree on this topic. However, there’s no reason to call someone “stupid” or a “dumb ass” in the process. That just encourages a hostile exchange and will eventually turn this place into a pointless war-zone.
- Mr. Ryz
Naomi says:
October 22, 2009 at 5:46 pm (UTC -5)
The only people who can really comment on this “GEG” .. that name is changed; are those who are actual members making money there and flying down to meet the staff, speak with the owner, see the offices, and decide for themselves. NOBODY here is remotely “cheerleading” since nobody cares if any new members join. There is no motivatation for that. There is no fixed profit amount monthly as was touted here either. There are fees involved with bank withdrawals and other fees. Nobody here who is not a member can read the forum, other than how to get started, so I don’t see how there can be discussion about this company without any inside info.
The persons who violently call “GEG” a scam have other motivations – I would like to know what they are. That’s all.
Deb says:
October 22, 2009 at 6:16 pm (UTC -5)
Naomi hello.. I have not said anything in a while because the fighting was turning sickening.. not a fan of the violence myself.
You seem to be well tempered so I must ask what convinces you that GEG is real? See I don’t want to assume too much about you and your experiences…. but if you’ve been scammed even 1/2 as much as me in the past then you’d see the real purpose for the questions posed in this blog.. There have been few answers and much hype in this blog conversation.. little else.
crownzaucer says:
October 24, 2009 at 4:23 pm (UTC -5)
Naomi, first of all there has been plenty of GEG cheerleading going on here. anyone who isn’t willing to admit that must be too blind to see it.
Secondly you’re very wrong about people who can make comments. want proof? Read the past 50 comments on this blog LOL! you may or may not be yet another emotional GEG member that sees this program from a narrow, one way view, but either way that doesn’t change the fact that GEG has very dangerous signs and not ONE person has been able to present proof that GEG can sustain itself over the long haul. would you like to take a stab at it? because so far you don’t really sound all that different from notme, jaxjag or any of the other cheerleading posters.
jaxjag says:
October 25, 2009 at 6:50 pm (UTC -5)
Hello Naomi,
Here we go again………….sustain itself, cheerleading, etc…..you name it….the people that know the least about an organization have the most to say. And 90% of what they have to say is bogus nonsense.
If GEG was actually a HYIP these folks would have something to complain about. However, it is not. Instead, they sit on the sideline and refuse to do the research to learn the facts about what they complain about. Then they complain further because the information is not handed to them.
It is so simple they can not see it for themselves.
Meanwhile, those of us that are enjoying life and the ride towards financial freedom will read such hog wash and laugh and say Life Is Grand!!!!
crownzaucer says:
October 25, 2009 at 7:26 pm (UTC -5)
There you have it indeed, more “life is grand” bullshit and cheerleading from this site’s biggest pom pom boy, jaxjag.
We’ve done the research, we’ve looked at the info available, and all you blabber mouths can do is act like we aren’t credible because we haven’t decided to fly all the way over to personally meet the Joe McScam behind this sludge. like a respectable person or business would force its members to do that for real proof LOL
Oh and this is not a hyip huh? no I suppose you can just run to your local bank and demand a 5% return on your investment each week. 20% a month is nothing in your world huh? you’re a hoot as always, thanks for the laughs.
jaxjag says:
October 26, 2009 at 11:36 am (UTC -5)
Now Now crownzaucer………..
Control your temper…..take a deep breath and understand that you can not always have everything your way. Remember, you really are not an expert on all subjects. There may be other people who know more than you.
Now again, take a deep breath and exhale or you will have to go to your room.
Life Is Grand For Those You Want It To Be!!!!!
jama says:
October 26, 2009 at 10:15 pm (UTC -5)
My dearest crown,
Here is a crown jewel for you. This is a out of context from my personal managed forex account. “Outstanding results since start in May 09 with over 22.3% monthly gross profit, max drawdown through Sep 09 not over -11.3%. Approach based on 3 substrategies to spread risk, reduce volatility, improve consistency. Temporary $5,000 minimum account accepted. SEE THE REPORTS!
MAY-SEP 09 result (gross before fees): +111.3% (no open trades)”
Now, I suppose you think this is a scam as well. All you far right wingers, would.
crownzaucer says:
October 27, 2009 at 12:33 am (UTC -5)
jama, what the hell does any of this have to do with politics? take your “right wing” “left wing” crap to someplace that gives a damn.
Okay my monthly average is also 111% roi. oh wait, no it’s not. sure is easy to post any numbers I want though, just as easy as what you did.
Thanks for nothing. lmao!
Anyone says:
October 27, 2009 at 8:22 am (UTC -5)
I think you are missing the point here Mr. Saucer. Many people are generating similar returns as GEG averages. You cannot accept this which is your choice. What makes you so difficult to debate with is that you are posting out of anger and not out of experience. I have never doubted the possibility of these returns, I have been researching the program itself. You are too quick to criticize what you cannot accept. As I said before in my not so nice post, you are an internet bully.
crownzaucer says:
October 27, 2009 at 3:56 pm (UTC -5)
Anyone, you’re right, i did completely skip over that point about similar returns. why? Because it’s IRRELEVANT!
I’m sure plenty of experts out there can turn monthly averages of 20% but that does absolutely nothing to prove that your precious GEG is capable of producing the same every single month without any fail.
In your “research” what have you discovered that proves GEG’s ability to earn these consistent 5% returns by the week? please tell us! though I doubt you have even a slice of proof, given your arrogant nature, you’d be pasting stuff all over this blog left and right to prove that GEG was legit if you had anything at all to offer.
And if you haven’t researched the investment structure that would make GEG real and long-term fireproof, what the hell else is there more important to “research”? In my “experience,” which is something you obviously lack (not me), a wise investment decision is based upon concrete evidence. Are you incapable of proper “research”? Or is there simply NO proof or investment plan that CAN be researched?
Welcome to the real world, “Anyone.” you want to stand up for this jackal of a program, GEG, then you’re going to be held to proper standards of research. and in the sophisticated world, the burden of proof lies with GEG, of which you and all other nauseating cheerleaders on this blog have completely failed to show in your arguments.
I pointed out why GEG looks like a ponzi scheme. YOU prove ME wrong! that’s your responsibility if you want to come here and defend it from an “experienced” point of view, and you have yet to bring any chips to the table.
Wrapping up here, funny i’m called the “internet bully” again lol. that’s the best pot calling the kettle black example i’ve seen yet. or did you forget about your 2 spazzing name calling rants you posted 2 weeks ago?
Dave P says:
October 28, 2009 at 12:49 am (UTC -5)
Praising outside sources that can generate heavy returns doesn’t add any credibility to a completely independent company.
I sure hope you Guardian Equity people aren’t counting on them to live forever and pave your driveway with gold. Guardian Equity is a complete white mystery on the outside and the only laughable defense available appears to be scrambled excuses and cheerleader lingo. From a clear headed perspective, GEG is undeserving of the pedestal that it’s cheerleaders want it to firmly stand upon.
Furthermore, if Big Brother ever decides to intervene, Guardian Equity is toast with plenty of extra jam on the side. My gut tells me they won’t survive long enough to summon the attention of nosey authorities.
It’s been fun reading all the naive comments though. I hope some of you learn something from all this in the long run as opposed to dashing off into another big scam in 2010.
Adieu,
Dave
Naomi says:
October 29, 2009 at 1:43 pm (UTC -5)
To Deb.. above.
Sorry but I lost this link, have so many “favorites”.. but anyway i wanted to respond.
The anger you fin here – in the blog “discussion” as you can come only from the opposition to GEG (me thinks they doth protest too much)
That should give pause for reflection right there. It could be they are paid disinformation operatives (LOL) who brainwash us into the popular mainstream belief “If it sounds to good to be true, it isn’t” mentality.
Note how the angry opposition to GEG also continues to use a common HYIP term – “Cheerleader”, when its apparent, nobody here is remotely promoting GEG and we hope they stay away.
IMO also, I think these types are paid to bring programs down.. since 99% truly are scams, why not? They get a % of the confiscation if they can get their hands on it. Who knows what their motivation is.. the truth is, thyey have a very small amount of info on GEG, do not have enough info to even discuss the company.
But do note who gets angry, abusive, intolerant to posts such as mine. YES Ive been a member for well over a year, and do know what’s going on from the inside, the pathetic part is Americans posting here think the late great USA has any power over jurisdictions other than their own federal zones.
Look how geeful the opposition is to hoping this powerful “man behind the curtain” catches them, and we should squeel with fear in anticipation of this far-reaching power.
Pathetic really. I hope they enjoy their stocks and USD accounts.. it will all be worth it’s true value soon enough. Nothing.
Of course, GEG accounts are not in dollars. The value going up considerably on this fact alone.
I do like to mess with these disinformation bullys – will stop by again = )
Deb says:
October 29, 2009 at 3:20 pm (UTC -5)
Hi Naomi.. thank you for returning. I myself check back almost everyday here but only comment if I think it’s worthwhile.
My question is rather simple.. You say you know what’s going on from the inside.. so why does GEG refuse to share that information? If they really invest in something why not prove it and end the unprofessional outlook?
I’ve posed these questions to a CPA friend of mine.. she smirked and said that the company would have no reason to hide investment information unless they were afraid of governmental authority…. in fact she went further and said by all professional standards GEG owes that right if they want to be taken seriously.
I know this is starting to sound a lot like some of Mr. crownzaucer’s posts and I should say I’m no fan of his expressions… but if certified accountants dealing with int business agree with that point.. then I got to admit, GEG does show the red flag that the blog author Mr Ryze talked about…. Denying it would be sure careless action in a world with so many scams and I feel anyone who says otherwise probably doesnt realize the kind of deception out there.
So, Naomi.. I have to ask again.. why is everything all locked up? Why is it so hard to find the real info? Thanks.
jaxjag says:
October 30, 2009 at 2:33 pm (UTC -5)
Hello Deb,
I was reading Naomi’s questions and it is easy to understand how someone would ask such things because so many of us are accustomed to think everything is operated based on the US/SEC/CFTC standards. We grew up in the US of A waiting to be told how and when we may invest.
It is difficult for many people to understand or even realize that you and your friends/partners can legally take your funds and leave the good old US of A and move off shore and invest. So, someone not understanding that this is available to them, find it very difficult to understand now GEG could very evolve into something is viable.
Those folks who joined GEG and signed their Trust Agreements understand that any monies put into GEG would be used in FOREX trading. They also understand that the operation of GEG is not in the US of A and that it is a stand alone company in another country.
The principal(s) of GEG does not owe any of these other folks any explanation of how or why they operate GEG the way they do.
One of the best parts to all this is knowing that Big Brother has no say over how GEG is run. In other words (Dave P) there is no toast and cetainly no jam.
OBTW, the second best part of this is that I have a contractor arriving tomorrow to pave my driveway in Gold.
See Dave P, we don’t need nor have any stinking excuses.
Life IS Grand!!!!
crownzaucer says:
October 30, 2009 at 3:48 pm (UTC -5)
Pah!! more diarrhea from jaxjag’s delusional point of view. we’ve been over this, i don’t know if he’s just too scared to address it because he knows he’s wrong, or if he’s too dense to figure it out. let me spell it out for those that care to come here, use their brains, and think with a clear head.
Either way, American investors are at major risk if the company they are investing in does not comply with basic laws. GEG breaks nearly every SEC regulation you can find in the books involving fair disclosure. that means that if the US SEC at any time decides to go after GEG functions, which would be namely American investors, they can and will reclaim the profits! That’s right, the US can TAKE your money! ALL American investors take a major risk when investing with this shady scheme!!
Deb, don’t buy this misleading shit that GEG does not owe anything to its investors. by law, they certainly do in order to properly solicit investors from this country and most OTHER sophisticated countries have very similar agencies with very similar laws! you’re being very smart here and the person you referred to earlier that you’ve been discussing this with is right on.
People like jaxjag have fallen straight into the koolaid vat and probably aren’t ever going to come to terms with their idiocy. when GEG disappears and it becomes widely known as a giant ponzi scheme, i expect even then people like jaxjag will come back with stupid arguments like “OH at least I got paid and made money!” you watch! it will probably happen, since most of these forex scams of the past sang the exact same song.
jaxjag says:
October 30, 2009 at 4:14 pm (UTC -5)
For all who have followed or may read about this in the future;
crownzaucer………..in the beginning I sincerely thought that you have have some knowledge of what you write about. However, the more you write the more I am convinced that you are nothing more than a lot of, as you have just stated above, DIARRHEA.
Now crownzaucer, go sit in the corner and let the rest of us have adult conversations. We will let you know when you can come out to play.
crownzaucer says:
October 30, 2009 at 4:31 pm (UTC -5)
jaxjag, that’s fine. I don’t expect hopeless, delusional GEG cheerleaders like yourself to admit or understand most of what i try to explain to the mature adults that come to this board and look for intelligent conversation.
I never thought you had any knowledge and as you continue to skirt the legal issues and inflate your big headed invincibility complex as if GEG is truly untouchable, you just become more and more of the daily joke on this blog. keep it up, bonkers. everyone can use a good laugh now and then.
LL says:
November 1, 2009 at 8:36 am (UTC -5)
Now I saw Broker comment here and I’m pretty sure he is a member of GEG. Saw him on the forum several times as well.
Naomi says:
November 2, 2009 at 1:53 pm (UTC -5)
I’m baaacckkk..
SEC is being sued I here, too bad so many lost their life savings because the SEC they trusted failed them.
Jaxjag.. I didn’t ask any questions. Just responding to an honest inquiry by Deb.
The troll crowsaucer is canceled out due to having a vested interest in coming here. Insulting and instigating for the sheer joy.. ohh boy, get back to class before the bell rings.
Deb.. re: the “proof” did you know anyone can fake trading results and make it look genuine? Anyone can offer any lies on the net, and could fool anyone. The proof lies elsewhere – the offices and staff are open to any questions as well as visits. There is nothing else in its class on the net period.
As for the HYIPer trolls here, this company is NOT for you.
Stick with the US SEC regulated Wall Street gang, I am sure the elicit derivative markets are more to your liking
crownzaucer says:
November 2, 2009 at 2:12 pm (UTC -5)
Naomi, thanks for adding to the GEG loony bin. AWWW you don’t like me? well for starters if you really wanted to try to convince more cheerleader prey, instead of calling me a troll because you can’t think of any intelligent defense for what I’ve posted, you should have talked more about the office and proof that can be provided. your insults directed at me just hurt your cause for attempting to convince anyone that GEG is even worth a wooden nickel.
Yes I think most of us are aware that trading results can be faked and that’s why respectable orgs and traders post AUDITED TRADING SHEETS!!! And if GEG was really the “best in its class” you better damn well believe they’d be posting that proof on website after website.
Deb, when you see empty responses full of cheerleader BS like that above, i hope the truth turns crystal clear. “uhhh people can lie so we uhhhh won’t bother posting officially accepted forms of proof… and anyone who disagrees is a troll and should be happy with SEC regulated markets.” What a bunch of delusional, ponzi scheme cult blabber. guess what? here’s a clue for you. any forex related trading groups solicited to people on U.S. soil IS subject to SEC regulation. of course, any GEG goon isn’t going to admit that because they seem to honestly believe they’re the sole, invincible exception to the law. LOL!
Yes Naomi, you’re a complete joke, though i admit your clown suit isn’t quite as loud as jaxjag’s yet.
Naomi says:
November 2, 2009 at 3:25 pm (UTC -5)
Hey.. slow down clown, I never said I didn’t like you lol.
I’m sad you don’t like me though.
I do think you doth protest too much, and you are wrong, but I’m sure after a few years of ejamacashun you will be fine.
You are wrong BTW, fundamentally wrong. American’s are free to do whatever the heck they want, as long as it doesn’t impinge on the rights of others. Including entering into private agreements, to which we entered by way of Trust. I am sure you believe the mass brainwashed BS that we have had our Rights subverted somehow, and we must ask our servant government for permission to do what we have an inalienable right to do. I will carry on, as many of us claim our rights do, and you will hope the SEC doesn’t look the other way when the next big scam comes along – best of luck there, you’ll surely need it.
Run along now.
Mr. Ryz says:
November 2, 2009 at 4:04 pm (UTC -5)
Hey Naomi,
I understand where you’re coming from, but I’d be extremely careful with that line of thinking. Invoking the Libertarian beliefs I often ascribe to, “fundamentally” I’d have to right to “do” many things in this nation without the barriers imposed by the “great ABC” agencies.
However, like the current system or not, the “powers that be” have the control and it sounds to me like many individuals within your group are attempting to subconsciously and incorrectly dwarf “Big Brother’s” impact and authority over the United States and subsequent offenders that may ignore those regulations.
I applaud one’s efforts to stand up for their rights, yet at the same time, if Guardian Equity truly believes it can continue its current path without worry of any U.S. regulation recourse, I’m sorry to say I find that mentality rather reckless and irresponsible. Guardian Equity has a fair share of U.S. citizen investors and noting the penalties imposed on similar operations that have been charged with “selling unregistered securities,” I doubt the company or its investors are as safe as they would like to believe, despite the location of the company’s registration.
Just my opinion, of course, based on my experience with these operations. I think many groups – not just Guardian Equity – underestimate the power and fury behind the current “system.” Guardian Equity takes a big risk here, and I think most of the company’s investors – and perhaps even owners and operators – aren’t even aware of the long-term consequences that may ensue.
- Mr. Ryz
Mr. Ryz says:
November 2, 2009 at 4:13 pm (UTC -5)
Crownzaucer,
Once again, I’d like to respectfully ask you to tone down the insults and hostile expressions.
I think you have some valid points in your arguments, but your malicious responses aren’t going to encourage any fruitful discussion or debate.
Please be more respectful in the future. Thanks,
- Mr. Ryz
LL says:
November 2, 2009 at 8:13 pm (UTC -5)
Mr. Ryz,
The difference about GEG is that it is not continuing on its current path at all.
You must know the changes being made to make the program even better and you must also know the qualifications of the owner. You can go visit him in his offices or call him for that matter and find out from the horse’s mouth!
Take care.
Mr. Ryz says:
November 2, 2009 at 9:18 pm (UTC -5)
Hello LL,
Could you briefly describe what you mean by GEG not continuing on its “current path”?
- Mr. Ryz
crownzaucer says:
November 2, 2009 at 9:59 pm (UTC -5)
I can take a guess as to the new path that GEG is about to go on. GEG didn’t grow fast enough, the ponzi pot is almost dried up and they’re about to shut down and try to start over with something entirely different. right? i mean you GEG people said yourself that it didn’t have a lot of members and wasn’t growing very large. the money has to run out someday and probably sooner than later. when that happens i can’t wait to hear all the pitiful excuses that will come from some of the cheerleaders here.
Dave P says:
November 3, 2009 at 12:31 am (UTC -5)
What drug has the GEG Leader put you people on?
Mercy me, we all know the SEC, FTC, IRS etc are blundering burdens, but that’s not even the issue here. Forget the US law debate. The problem with the GEG is that absolutely no proof of investments have been made available to researchers.
Investment statements and strategic plans showing strong likelihood of future profits are required for rationale investment decisions. GEG offers the common investor nothing. They might as well guide you to a slot machine and ask you to pull the lever.
If no one understands this self-explanatory, basic foundation of sound investment decisions, then away with you. Go off to your little magic kingdom and play ‘investor.’
Jim Jones, you can have em!
Dave
LL says:
November 3, 2009 at 10:27 am (UTC -5)
Respectfully, Mr. Ryz, I don’t want to elaborate at all on this forum so publicly.
I do get the impression that since you probably have contact with or even know BJ that you can contact him because he should be knowledgeable about it for obvious reasons. He should be able to fill you in.
Take care….
Naomi says:
November 3, 2009 at 3:33 pm (UTC -5)
Mr Ryz,
You have my email, right?
Everyone here probably knows discussing the particular program we are here is strictlty prohibited. Only a superficial discussion, as we have here, can even be entertained. That ends any speculation as to why nothing further can be offered.
Thanks for your mention about Constitutionally protected inalienable rights — but I notice your avatar is the eye over the pyramid. Respectfully, please explain why you chose this symbol of the elite’s evil march towards NO individual freedoms (in general)and total control and domination ? Or is it just a cool picture on the dollar bill (soon to be worth not the paper it’s printed on.)
Your content regarding the “power and the fury of the system” – or unlawful and assumed domination of powers not granted by the people or any law (man behind the curtain) – is defeatist at best.
This company is legal within its jurisdiction, and is acutely aware of the current global political and financial climate – in fact this is one of its specialties.
Protecting members ( from rogue governments for one ) is of primary concern – legal structures, which are commonplace in this global economy – and made good use of by the likes Of Bush, Cheney, Gates et al are commonplace.
You seem intelligent and open to learning, but do be transparent as to your motives about spreading lies and fears about Americans’ activites — I will place a bet with you
My bet is you will form very different conclusions on what the world is up to these days as relates to this subject.
But please, do not refer to someone who knows their (inalienable means can never be taken away, not by any lawful means) rights, exercises them, has a history of doing so – and will never.. ever.. allow fear of their public servants blustery threats to ‘get back in the pen’ to influence my actions. Their own undoing will result, and they know their time is limited. I am referring to the unproductive tax leaches living off the labor of others. It is not “reckless and irresponsible” to go about ones business – to the contrary, your un-American stance is just that.
What would the world be like if everyone acted as you prescribe?
I nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’, because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
-Thomas Jefferson
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
-Samuel Adams
UNREG says:
November 3, 2009 at 4:49 pm (UTC -5)
Scammers Aaron and Shara pushed this so its 99 percent sure to scam out. If your in now fine but in my opinion its too late to join now. I would stay away. There is not a single drop of proof that anything here is real except its just another well run ponzi. The returns are not realistic and they dont have a real brokerage so your money is in their control and not yours. There are just tons of signs that this is just another scam.
Mr. Ryz says:
November 3, 2009 at 5:08 pm (UTC -5)
Naomi,
Haha. I’m glad you mentioned the “all seeing eye” avatar. For a long while, I’d been using that display on occasion for no particular reason, and just a few months ago an acquaintance introduced me to some “materials” discussing the conspiracies behind the “New World Order.”
I decided to study the materials with an open mind, and from my own religious point of views, I do indeed recognize some of these projections as future possibilities. At the same time, many predictions and formulas have attempted to define “worldwide conspiracies” and forecast “the end” ever since life on Earth began; therefore, at this time, I don’t personally believe it’s logically sound to wager absolute faith in these theories.
Quite honestly, the “all seeing eye” draws a lot of interesting conversation from many internet communities, so I continue to use it rather openly. I will definitely keep my eyes open as the world changes around us. A wise man once told me (not verbatim): “An intelligent person does not accept all tales as facts, but he remembers them should the future outcomes reflect their new probability.”
Also, despite my appreciation for your honesty and bold words, I resent your decision to so carelessly assume my position is “un-American.” You misunderstood my point. In fact, we both detest the same “great powers” that attempt to control us, though we may disagree on what authorities are still necessary in a “perfect world.” I am concerned for the average individual’s safety in GEG if they attempt to recklessly combat these powers, and I still think, based on what has been expressed here, you and other GEG members underestimate what you are contending with. Are you attempting to reclaim your rights strategically, or arrogantly batting at a hornet’s nest? I sincerely hope the former is true; I just have yet to see a GEG member clearly demonstrate this. If that priority of safety and awareness before reckless rebellion is dubbed “un-American” by you, then I seriously doubt you are qualified to define Americanism.
Best of luck to you.
- Mr. Ryz
crownzaucer says:
November 3, 2009 at 9:34 pm (UTC -5)
Okay Naomi first of all GEG being legal in its jurisdiction means nothing if it violates the authorities that govern the majority of the members that hold investments. yes, that’s exactly what it’s doing whether you view it as a threat or not. I won’t get into the deep end of this again because no matter how many times I repeat myself you aren’t getting the picture but here it is one more time.
Your American investors are at risk! since GEG is not properly registered the SEC can charge after the American people who are making money with GEG and take it from them. note here i’m not saying they WILL, i’m just saying they can. if your members want to knowingly gamble with that, hey be my guest. the problem i have is that you seem to be pressing false ideas into the heads of GEG members that the U.S. government is some defenseless joke. they may not be the supreme power of the universe but they are NOT a joke and they will not hesitate to take action if GEG grows large enough.
I think at this point i should also point out that i’m probably just beating a dead horse. Why? because the underlying issue is and always was about the legitimacy of GEG’s means of paying returns. with a ponzi scheme, it doesn’t matter if a company is properly registered or not, either way people get screwed over. and we have yet to see any compelling evidence that GEG is anything more than just another giant HYIP ponzi scheme. crazy isn’t it? after all this, no evidence. we’ll probably just continue to see more ridiculous cult talk and cheerleading.
Mr. Ryz says:
November 3, 2009 at 11:36 pm (UTC -5)
Greetings everyone,
Originally, I wrote this article and encouraged discussion hoping that someone could elaborate on the major pieces of the puzzle that were missing from the Guardian Equity Group. However, we’re now up to 99 posts with nothing but off topic discussion and pointless internet brawls to show for it. All that’s left is the opportunity for some people to agree to disagree.
As I originally suspected (and as LL hinted yesterday), apparently open discussion about Guardian Equity’s “meat of the project” is completely prohibited. If concrete evidence of legitimate investing activities within Guardian Equity do indeed exist, the most recent week’s worth of posts has made it abundantly clear that we won’t ever see them presented here. Therefore, since I don’t see the discussion reaching any constructive grounds in the near future, comments will be closed at this time. I figured this “100th” post would make for a nice, even number to finish with. If any major Guardian Equity updates surface in the future, I will consider re-opening the commenting grounds in this section or post a new article with open commenting available.
Concluding remarks:
If you are considering investing in Guardian Equity, you’ve just been presented with GEG’s red flags and it’s up to you to decide how you want to proceed. Personally, I maintain the position I had when I first created this article. However, as an adult, feel free to reach your own conclusions.
For the records, I would not recommend joining Guardian Equity unless your sponsor is able to guide you to a source of complete, professional records of proof demonstrating the company’s ability to continue their exceptionally high, weekly returns. Quite frankly, I find Guardian’s ability to offer it’s investors 5 – 6% per week for 8 consecutive months without variance far beyond “suspicious.” Although such an achievement may technically be possible within the forex market, it is highly unlikely. Please be careful, because ponzi scheme elements could be present.
As for the current Guardian Equity members: I realize there is a certain “suspicious” level of secrecy involved in Guardian Equity, but if the company truly is earning high yields through legitimate trading, then I wish you the best. Guardian Equity may not have met my standards for due diligence or asset safety, but if you have the opportunity to gain from ethical activities, then congratulations and good luck to you. Make sure you keep your eyes and ears open.
Take care everyone,
- Mr. Ryz
Mr. Ryz says:
August 29, 2010 at 11:41 pm (UTC -5)
Comments re-opened on:
August 29, 2010
Truthkeeper says:
August 31, 2010 at 7:30 pm (UTC -5)
HERE is the TRUTH about this ugly Conman:
My former business partners close friends were down in GEG Land
and met this person Ledesma or who ever he really is…
They told us very clear, this man is absolute immoral and behaved like a (sorry) pig ******* IN FRONT of his clients and “Investors”, playing around with prostitutes IN THE PUBLIC and trying to get ladies from his audience in his ugly claws after the seminars!!
The only reason, why this scammer was not put to death by some of his visitors and the reason, why people have not left the seminars and are not talking about this incredible immoral betrayer, his godless behaviour and the mess down there is, that this gangster is (or was) protected by soldiers along the way all the time …
Imagine this background !!!
But rest assured…
GOD will hunt this person down, because he has broken ALL his rules!
He definitely WILL rest in peaces, because the Universe always pays back in a righteous way !!!
Sometimes it takes a bit, but the time is drawing nearer for all this …
Truthkeeper