GEG / Guardian Equity Group Scam – Robert vs David Cullen Fiasco Unwinds, GEG / UPBAN Scam Follows Ponzi Scheme Trails
Posted on February 3rd, 2010 by Mr. RyzIn early September of 2009, I had been asked to review the Guardian Equity Group and then attempted to explain my honest opinions about the program as “nicely” as I could. When comparing Guardian Equity to similar sophisticated, long-term ponzi schemes, GEG fit the bill without any doubt in my mind.
In the previous article weighing the likelihood of Guardian Equity being a scam, we discussed some of the major red flags:
#1. GEG offered its investors between 5.1% to 5.9% per week for nearly 50 weeks straight. Some risky investments can occasionally return 20% to their investors, but such outrageous monthly performance without variance is absurd and essentially impossible in any financial market – and by “essentially impossible,” I mean a confidence level of 0.00000000001% – i.e. basically zero.
#2. Not one single form of proof has ever been displayed or referred to GEG researchers, and the only ridiculous response that followed the questioning of this absence of proof was along the lines of: “Oh…. well if you want to fly out to meet the people running the company, I know a guy who knows a guy whose best friend’s father has seen some proof regarding GEG. You could do the same.“ As if I should be required to fly out a couple thousand miles just to receive proof of legal and ethical investments, as any professional or respectable company would provide to its members via simple and convenient 24/7-available electronic resources?
#3. Discussion on GEG topics outside the officially approved “Guardian Equity forum” was forbidden. Many Guardian Equity members discussing the program outside their forum were threatened by other paranoid and/or self-righteous members and told they would be reported to GEG administration and have their accounts “banned.” Guardian Equity refused to offer even the bare minimum proof of legitimate assets to their members, and yet these members couldn’t so much as let one peep of “GEG” outside the GEG forums without risking the safety of their account?
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As of January 28, many Guardian Equity members are now familiar with the e-mail and follow-up sent by Mr. David Cullen and Robert of GEG, respectively. David Cullen’s side of the story indicates that Robert was not only unqualified to handle thousands of trusting individuals’ investments, but also that he does not necessarily plan on fulfilling promised payouts to GEG members. Note that if Mr. Cullen’s testimony is true – i.e. Robert’s operation of the company was completely dysfunctional and unprofessional, no records of trades or balance sheets existed, and the program’s investments (what’s left of them anyway) are “missing” – then Robert was most likely running nothing more than a crafty ponzi scheme model the entire time.
Considering the “creativity” that’s been witnessed throughout the history of major, long-term ponzi schemes in the HYIP industry, there is some legitimate debate about the possibility of this “Robert vs Mr. Cullen” fiasco being nothing more than a clever drama designed to buy the scam artists behind GEG some more time before they run off with the remnants of GEG members’ money. However, whether David Cullen is telling the truth or not, it appears Guardian Equity and the UPBAN (United Pacific Bancorp Limited) project is drawing its last breaths.
Activities on the official Guardian Equity forum were recently brought to a halt, leaving many GEG members complaining about being unable to access any information for days. Several testimonies by angry members have now been brought into light, many of which sound similar to the following: “I have been patiently waiting for Guardian Equity to complete my withdrawal request for months! They reassured us on the forums that cashouts would soon resume, but now the forum is closed!!”
I don’t think Guardian Equity’s recent actions of closing its forum after releasing troublesome news to its “investors” is a coincidence of any sort. I think the dark secrets behind the true operations of Guardian Equity are about to come into the light; the ponzi scheme pool has dried up, and efforts are already being made to silence the uproar that will soon develop. Unfortunately, I fear the GEG operators are currently sitting on their island in the Carribean, smuggly counting the remains of loyal GEG investors’ money, and attempting to plan their next steps to “close shop” for good.
Many Guardian Equity “investors” currently believe their funds are safely tucked away in CDs (certificates of deposit) issued by GEG / UPBAN. CDs are generally issued by banks to balance their assets, the most common of which are mortgage-backed securities for commerical and residential real estate. However, I fear this was just another gimmick devised by GEG owners based on these simple reasons:
#1. United Pacific Bancorp is NOT a legally registered bank
#2. GEG / UPBAN does NOT even possess basic financial statements that prove the “CDs” it is offering are properly backed by real assets, as required by real organizations.
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I have already explained this line of reasoning to many current GEG members, and most of them only ask me the following question: “Should I withdraw my money?”
Hopefully, those who recognize these intense red flags will still have the opportunity to reclaim at least a percentage of their investments; however, at this stage, don’t be surprised to hear many angry GEG members telling stories about delayed payments and little to no communication on GEG’s part. If you are presented with an opportunity to withdraw some of your funds from GEG – even if you face a penalty – I recommend you do so immediately.
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- Mr. Ryz
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Note: Comments will be enabled for those who wish to express their concerns or problems with Guardian Equity / UPBAN. This is NOT the place, however, to rattle off cheerleader praise or “I was paid” rants. These and all other off-topic comments will be deleted immediately.
Comment By: anonymous
March 1st, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Robert is not Robert. Hes real name is Traves Virgil Brownlee and i can tell you he thinks very highly of himself.. too highly. He thinks he can toy around forever + a day with all this but hes got another thing comin. Peopl are scared of being banned and losing their money but theyll start talking. Grab your bowl of popcorn and get ready for the show to start
Comment By: C.R. Rusch
March 16th, 2010 at 2:37 am
I WOULD LIKE SOME CONTACT WITH OTHER MEMBERS AND COMPARE NOTES.
Comment By: GEGisAscam
March 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Has anyone figured out yet who posts all those trip reports??
Comment By: ISIT
March 18th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
#1. Being a Forex Trader myself your first comment about 5.1%-5.9% is quite possible and probably one can do even better. Also having the Technical ability in Trading you can keep your profit completely Stable as long as you stick to your system. You never hear about this ability because those who know how to do it probably will never Talk!
I have no comment on the rest but just to answer GEGisAscam maybe it is the people that actually take the Trip to see Robert and partake in their Seminar? Just a thought?
Comment By: Wake up GEG investors!
March 19th, 2010 at 1:29 am
I’ve only toyed around with FOREX a little myself …but I do know FOREX traders who earn 6 figs a year and they have taught me a lot.. free of charge.
This ” ISIT ” fella missed the entire point behind that number 1 bullet. over 5% in just one week? ? Yea it’s possible for a week.. hell in that market you can be a FOREX newb throw a few darts and find yourself with 10% or more in that same time.. but even though you could get lucky once or twice its very very easy to lose money.
FOREX is one hellish volatile market…even the best traders find themselves crying off a small loss now and then… but this GEG shaft claims it found magical formula to making 5 to 6 % every week? You’ve got to be kididng me and kidding yourself….. anyone who believes that is no FOREX trader or even familiar with that market. You can’t keep getting returns that stable in such short time frames [ weekly?? ] for a whole year straight in FOREX… currencies trade fast and furious and sometimes without reason to the most intelligent traders out there.. so unless this Robert guy is a fortune teller or witch nope… nada.. negatory.. He’s lying!
I’ve tried researching this and although this owner Robert doesn’t like his own investors posting stuff online… theres enough to see all the deep prints of a scam… pyramid or ponzi… whatever floats your boat.
The investors don’t want to say anything against this Robert because he has their money tied to his waist… if he sinks, their investments sink with him.. but it’s no secret why he can’t release funds to his investors anymore.. yea GEG fellas… that means at this point GEG is probably bankrupt and your investments burned out. So the FOREX newbs will still keep believing this Robert and his GEG hogshit… until he dashes for good… they should be out looking for smart investments in safer markets but looks like Robby the Ripper has them all doped up on FOREX fairy tales..
I will return in a few months…. and since everyone loves stats so much around these parts by then I give 99 . 9 % that GEG is a deep wound and people are swearing up and down about Robert defrauding them.. you just wait and see.
Comment By: GEGisAscam
March 19th, 2010 at 3:17 am
“Wake up GEG investors!”, I reckon GEG is bankrupt already!
But I will give them the benefit of the doubt and wait until the end of April. If theres no payouts by then, then its a complete sham!
Comment By: ISIT
March 19th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Wake up GEG investors. I read it loud and clear. Consistently making a certain % every week is possible. I believe 5% or more is possible. In Fact I have seen someone doing this for over 6 years. That is why now he is a millionaire. Whether you want to believe in that or not is your own choice. I am ok with that but I do not need any more proof that making that kind of money is possible consistently. If Upban is Scamming people then that is what their doing. The Argument though is it is completely Possible to make a huge Percentage CONSISTENTLY in the Forex.
BTW in that Market you can make well over 10%. There are people that make 200% in a month. Whether it is consistent or not is beside the point but if one can make 200% then surely one can make 20% a month consistently!
http://fxcast.com/Hall_of_Fame.php
Comment By: Wake up GEG investors!
March 20th, 2010 at 3:59 am
ISIT if you are going to keep talking on here… quit spinning off the arguments. Making a certain percentage a week is possible yes… we’ve already covered that…but 5% every week is not possible for 60 consistent weeks unless you possess some kind of supernatural knowledge or crystal ball of some sort. If you really believe that kind of short sighted but large return is possible for over 1 trading year… you’re just begging me to call out your ignorance on the subject of FOREX..
You can not know someone who has earned 5% each week for 6 years because they would be multi billionaires or trillionaires by now… take an annual trading comp multiple of 5% each week… its about 12.64.. so $10000 becomes $126400 in one year… now use the multiple for 3 years… try 10 years! No one in the world is worth that much…. but you think because some website claims one trader performed 200 % in a single month that someone else in this market can earn 20 % every month or 5 % a week?? What a naive and arrogant assumption….. I’m starting to disbelieve you’ve traded even a single currency pair in your lifetime.. you do not understand the FOREX market fella. Are you just spitting he said… she said games from pyramid scammers and FOREX wannabees??
I know traders that encounter months at 50 % every blue moon.. [anything over 100% is nothing short of a miracle with some pure luck attached ] but what you failed to address ISIT [ probably because you don't know ] is that the higher returns you shoot for… the more likely youll be faced with the nasty negatives….volatility is a double edged sword.. and the millionaires who trade forex that trained me lost close to 20 % during Feb…. and yes these are big boys that do strive for 20 % .. hell even 30 % months consistently.
If anyone wants to bite the hook and buy the wacky expectations you have ISIT…. they are going to learn the real FOREX market and be more disappointed than a rich kid on christmas morning. I advise you to stop flappin your lip and misleading people…. Im surprised enough there arent more people here realizing the truth.. trying to raise hell… demanding answers and money from this flamboyant joker Robert..
On that GEG topic … If GEGisscam is right .. Robert does not have any money left. Staying quiet while this FOREX shark prepares his gettaway vehicle is only going to buy him a few more miles…. are you all going to keep patting his back while he zoooms off with your money…. ?? or are you going to raise some fists? Wake up would you!!
Comment By: Wake up GEG investors!
March 20th, 2010 at 4:14 am
P.S. to any real traders out there >
If anyone wants to release proof of earning 5 % a week & 20 % a month consistently for 1 year.. I’ll retract everything I’ve said and eat my favorite U of Florida hat sitting on my head right now.. but I won’t hold my breath. I know millionaires that create their own trading algorithms … and they laughed at the thought of some norty expectation of 20 % a month.. ” Get real ” was the follow up.
Comment By: Jealousy
March 20th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Based on the comments of “Wake up GEG investors”, it seems that you are one of those traders that spent money on learning to trade the forex market and then lost all your hard earned money. Thats why your so negative. So Sad!
Do you think that maybe a trader makes 60% in in one month, but only gives 5% a week for the next 12 weeks (3 months, so that they incorporate losing months? You and others have said that traders can make 60-80% in one lucky month, so why cant anyone else. This way you mitigate a losing week or two.
remember, in trading, when one person loses, someone else wins. Thats the name of the game. Maybe, all you bashers are the ones who keep losing, who knows!
Comment By: Jealousy
March 20th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Trust me, any trader making 5% a month wouldnt be surfing the web and reading this website. They dont need to be, because they are making money.
Where as, traders like you, who arent and cant making any money, are here reading and bashing other companies.
Im not a trader, so im ok
Comment By: Wake up GEG Investors!
March 20th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Jealousy, I think your name suits you…. I couldnt make a great deal of sense out of what you’re saying to me… I’m a ” basher ” now? hahaha Whatever floats your boat sonny boy… I’m only trying uncover the curtains… this Robert is a spade of fools..
Don’t you worry your little hiney about me.. as I said from post 1 I don’t trade FOREX.. [ though I have made money off it before ].. and I have a great deal of worth. I’m no millionaire… but I’m approaching the 7 figs quickly.
I think I’m hitting nerves since you sound like one of Robert’s disciples that believes the hock n hooey he has you roped into…. I do feel sorry for you and the others… It’s a painful loss and a painful lesson.
Comment By: Inglorious
March 20th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
How many idiots are invested in this U.P.B.A.N.?
Sure this dingbat Robert is churning 20% a month making 200% or more a year and he’s sharing this all with baby investors ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!
He’s on to billionaire status and he’s going about recruiting people because he needs money so bad uh huuuh sure okay.
That must be why Robert hasn’t been able to pay anyone in what now? 2 months? Maybe 3 months now? I lost track and just glad I’m not associated with this fx sham.
You poor kool aid chuggers. I hope none of you used money you couldn’t afford to lose because I can tell you it’s already lost.
Comment By: adam
March 21st, 2010 at 12:35 am
Thank you for the information. This guardian or “UPban” was introduced to me by a friend. I didn’t like the looks of it and have been scammed before so I knew better than to let the hype guide my investment decision.
Wow. I am glad I did. It is a relief to escape the agony because my friend now complains about waiting for his money. He’s not alone, he’s accompanied by many others who are very angry and sick of waiting. I have also found that Robert threatens people who talk about his program outside. That isn’t right by any line.
I hope I’m wrong but this looks like another scam. I’m just happy to have avoided it altogether. It was a close one!
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
March 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm
I personally have 2 friends who have attended the seminars and were quite impressed with Robert and staff. One of them made almost 7% on his demo account in a couple of days using the method he was taught and was told to follow exactly.
Everyone knows the Cullen situation is almost over and to prove ownership with a bank doesn’t happen in days. The complainers are the ones who don’t know the intricacies of all that is involved nor do they really know anyone who has visited the DR or taken a seminar.
This company is going to be better than it ever was because now all the i’s have been dotted and t’s have been crossed. No one seems to know where Cullen is while seminars are still being conducted. Why do that if you are ready to scam? It’s not logical.
This is far from a scam but there will always be people who will cry until they see the truth…and they will.
Comment By: anonymous
March 21st, 2010 at 3:21 pm
How can you say the Cullen situation is over. Because Robert tells you that? He talks about rainbows and sunshine all the while being unable to pay anyone the money they are entitled to! Everyone seems to have friends that have seen robert’s pot of gold but no one will ever step up and prove it. That’s a stupid investment any way you want to slice it. What is Robert trying to do now? Trade the last remaining few dollars he owns and slowly bring it back to millions? Sounds like it to me.
Comment By: Olmon Jonas
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm
I’ve read it all. I’m not going to say who is right and who is wrong since I think people are letting their egos get in the way here. Some people are going to take Robert’s side no matter what . Some are going to call anything that involves money a pyramid scam of some type.
I’m disturbed because I see a lot of false programs claiming to trade forex that have no right offering investment services and advice to people. Most of them are ponzi type scams because you have to understand no FX master is going to stick his neck and rep on the line to give poor and middle class investors around the world alike a stake in a private investment that returns over 100.00% a year.
There’s a catch. There always is. When you see that these internet FX wonderballs are just websites promising anyone and everyone monsterous returns without audited statements of trades and profits – that’s your sign. If the common man doesn’t know what he’s looking for, how easy is it for a figure to open up a basic FX account and start showing people a few meaningless trades? How easy is it to gain the support of 1000s of people just by paying them off a few cycles. .Very easy
Excitement always works to slash at our common sense and when you see programs like this growing large in only a years’ time because of word of mouth – is anyone surprised? Here I am trying to see this Guardian Equity’s appeal and I just see hype and cultish behavior. Many of its own members even seem full of rage and now that I hear the flow of profits has ceased I’m starting to understand why that is true.
Now we come to the point. You play, you pay. So many of these highyield games are dying off, one being the Genius Funds Program that suffered from the same lack of knowledge that one should demand from GEG. What’s real compared to what’s spread in the cyberspace rumors are two very different but important ideas to grasp.
Gold Nugget Invest has also reached the end thread and the man claiming ownership to GNI even admits it followed the ponzi ritual. He didn’t come out and say it plainly but you can read his updates and find interpret GNI’s ugly secret – which I wouldn’t call a secret, but it seems many others were fooled.
We have 3 left that hit my boxes with furious spam. UPBAN which is Guardian, Panamoney, and Verifield. All of which I’m supposed to believe are FX masters led by humanitarians who break their backs so that the lower classes can gain from these market phenomena that guarantee 20.00% or more a month? Please. Don’t make me laugh. Seeing a connection? This is not rocket science.
How many times must people be fed the same story and face the same ugly truth? I refuse to accept all of these people are gullible statues. They know what they are into and they play on these internet scams like they were tapping for cards on a blackjack table.
As for ethics and consequences for such behavior I won’t get into all that. You all can do your own research into right and wrong and consequences for your inability to interpret right from wrong on your own time and make your own decisions.
I’m just pointing out what’s really going on here for anyone who has any interest in the truth in case some retiree comes across thinking these FX charlatans are going to make him and his family rich in 5 years. All these websites masquerading as FX masters will probably fall out in 1 year’s time.
Don’t ever allow these websites to convince you that real FX marvel’s are interested in your small time paypal pocket change. Think before you act. That’s all I have to say.
Comment By: Invested
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 am
I am invested in Upban and was in early GEG stage and do not believe we are being told the truth.I will wait until next month April but want to know how and who to report them if they don’t pay me
Upban can call me negative but i’m not buying their shit
Robert should be able to pay uss and hes not.I will defend my money!
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
March 24th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Invested,
Why don’t you go to the forum and read yesterday’s update. You may also want to click on the link provided showing ownership…this may make you change your tune.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
March 24th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Olman Jonas,
There is a big difference here with GEG. You can attend a forex seminar conducted by Robert where he teaches you to trade. He holds them several times a month.
Do you know of any other company that does that?
Comment By: Wake up GEG Investors!
March 24th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
More of this seminar talk… BlesinginDisguise.. can you tell me why Robert.. while assuming he is Mister FOREX market king himself.. would want to teach people his billion dollar secrets for near nothing?
Why does he want to create competitors for himself? Why is he teaching his own people to trade.. now after he has so many holding onto his tail? Is he trying to cannibalize his own company?
More to the basics… where is Robert located right now? Where does he host these seminars? What broker does he use? Who is a verified auditor that can testify to all this?
Is anyone else.. who knows FOREX and understands business101.. laughing off their stockings right now?
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
March 24th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
He is in the DR….not hard to find. Why don’t you attend one yourself and see what he teaches.
Is it completely impossible to believe that someone finds personal fulfillment by helping people become financially secure? I am beginning to think that people who don’t get this concept are truly the ones who are lacking in character.
The rest of your questions cannot be answered on a public venue.
Comment By: Wake up GEG Investors!
March 24th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
BlessingInDisguise..It’s impossible for me to believe this Robert has skills and software worth billions… and he’s risking his own tail to let anyone and his uncle take a piece of the pie… how many other FOREX scams have used the same act? If the shoe fits… wear it.
If Robert is the humanitarian you make him out to be… why didn’t he make these 20 % a month trades out of his own pockets… reach millionaire even billionaire status in 2 years and use that money to start a bank, private hedge fund or better yet a public charity?
The reason you can’t answer most my questions.. Robert forbids it.. right? By now you must know why Robert demands silence… even if he could return 2000 % a month what he is doing isn’t legal.. but he’s stepping out into a mine field to help a few thousand people double their money every 5 months? Give me a break….
None of this is real.. I just feel sorry for GEG investors.. because they do everything to believe it’s real..
I’d guess most the people in GEG are retired people looking for community interaction or youngsters with little financial education.. I also say the Jonas fella is right when he says some know GEG is a FOREX scam but they enjoy the gamble… I’m starting to see the cult resemblance you mention too.. reminds me of scams from the 80s.
Comment By: name
April 5th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Soo no one is getting paid .. and Robert has everyone believing a fairy tale about paradise being only a flight away for those that have followed him?
LOOOL
Open your eyes!
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
April 28th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
These Guardian Upban investors need to get a clue if they want to create even 1 % chance of seeing any of their money being held by Traves. They need to stand up for themselves before Traves hikes off and leaves them in the mud.
Most of you following Guarding related news probably have seen this already but if not go check out what independent thinkers in Guardian are admitting and showing at this blog.
http://brokerjones.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/guardian-equity-group-alert-several-members-and-david-come-forward-with-a-report-that-all-geg-members-must-read/
It’s a long read but some thing everyone in guardian should get on asap. A lot is explained and if you’re going to continue to trust this Traves {Robert} and call everyone else BS you’re not playing with a full deck and no one can save you.
The most damning case against Traves is that some of his own big investors were calling him Traves at his little seminar meetings~ LOL !
Reading the comments here I can’t believe how many people think highly of Trickly Traves because he hosts seminars. Do you know WHY he hosts seminars ? His own investors are paying him over $ 1000 a ticket!! Traves makes $ 30,000 a week doing those seminars and there is no proof that anyone is making 5 figs a year off what he teaches.
His own zombie followers will try to credit Traves {whom they still call ROBERT LOL!!!} because he does seminars. They don’t tell you he gets paid top dollar for your visit.
Though if any of you are looking for a mentor in the arts of ponzi creation maybe it’s worth the 1G for you. I don’t know.
I’ll wrap this up. My main point being that Traves is asking many of you Guardian Upban investors to bend over and take it hard and you’re DOING it with a smile!! Stand up shake your head a few times and then look deep into the situation you have yourself in at Guardian. If you don’t start getting the authorities involved all you who are waiting on payments are out of luck. You may already be out of luck too. In either outcome Traves still deserves a cold dark cell. Starting sticking up for youselves!!
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
May 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
LOL…BJ now is an independent thinker! Good one.
He didn’t know how to make a withdrawal and that is how he was kicked out while having a tantrum.
That may be the funniest thing I have read all day.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
May 2nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm
The info as points presented to Guardian people was NOT MADE BY BJ!!! So whatever you think of BJ is besides the point. BJ does explain his own thoughts in conjunction with Alphabest which if you read it from a non hopeless Traves flockie you can’t help but see the real picture of Guardian and Upban.
BJ claims he was not kicked out by Traves and details his whole aggressive process of demanding what was owed. I guess Traves is saying he booted BJ of which I really find the truth between the 2 totally irrelevant now since the dirty evidence against Traves is a heaping mountain.
Blessing in disguise do you enjoy bending over backward for Traves day after day? Do you like sticking up for jackheads who have mismanaged your money and continue lying cheating and manipulating you? LOL sure seems like it! Be on your merry way back to the Traves Klan.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
May 3rd, 2010 at 7:12 am
I know who the comments were made by and I guarantee I know more information than you since you can only get yours from BJ and Bea.
It is relevant how BJ left because it shows the kind of person who you are choosing to follow. BJ did ask to have his account closed because he was whining like a child having a tantrum because he couldn’t figure out the correct way to make a withdrawal.
He was then booted from the forum for having a tantrum and it was not by Robert…his legal name by the way.
I’d much rather be a follower of Robert than your choice of losers to follow and believe their words.
Best of luck to you.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
May 3rd, 2010 at 1:26 pm
I receive info from many more people than BJ and Bea. For the most part they are people that have not received their own money and aren’t falling for TRAVES’ {it may be his “legal” name in DR but its only a scapegoat ID} tall tales any more.
There are 2 sides to every story and I repeat that whether you want to side with Traves on BJs grand exit is besides the point. You’re so determined to bash BJ but you couldn’t even bring yourself to argue the single smallest point of evidence against your buddy pal Tricky Traves and his fraud – o – thon.
You Blessing in disguise make for the perfect ponzi scam flockie. You don’t ask tough questions. You don’t think for yourself. You accept anything your leader says as TRUTH while blinding yourself to the true facts around you.
I can’t help you. You’re under the influence of Tricky Traves and hopelessly believing he is going to lead you to some pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You’re just going to have to suffer through the journey to find that the pot of gold doesn’t exist.
Best of luck to you too. Cheers to you in hoping that in the mean time you find a seperate means of restoring your lost income and time with Tricky Traves.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
May 3rd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
You have absolutely know what I ask and who I am connected with and I am certainly not looking for your help.
Just heard some great info from people who attended a seminar in the DR. Its not being leaked because of the snakes out there.
FYI, I am thousands of dollars in profit just like Bea and BJ were.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
May 3rd, 2010 at 3:46 pm
By the way, I won’t publicly discuss anything important so your time is wasted here.
If you are on the side and connected with Bea and BJ then most likely your current info will be nil or completely erroneous.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
May 3rd, 2010 at 7:21 pm
The “great info” you think you are receiving is from fellow Tricky Traves flockies that see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. Nothing more and nothing less.
What a pity the people who have their own resources held hostage by Tricky Traves have fallen in love with him to the point they are willing to spend $1000’s more on seminar games in the DR.
Does it bother you to read the truth Blessing in disguise? Good. It very well should. You may continue resisting the truth about Tricky Traves but this will all eventually sink in. Before the end of all this you will feel like a fool for blindly following this scamming refugee playing “forex trader ” in the DR.
I know you MUCH BETTER than you think I do! I’ve seen hopeless ponzi flockies since early 2000 run through the same dance you’re putting on right now. It always ends with a BANG!
As for me, I am on no one’s “side.” You however have nothing worth “publicly discussing.” I can tell. Considering the name of the website I’d say YOU are the one wasting your time here. Your opinion of what is “erroneous” means less to me than your favorite ice cream flavor. You are delusional. You are blind. Anything to hold on to that dream of receiving that thousands of dollars you think Tricky Traves if going to pay you some day right? LOL!
Good night disguised and deeply disturbed one. Maybe a fantasy of Tricky Traves arriving on your doorstep with a bag of fresh green cash awaits your dreams. If so enjoy because it will be the closest positive “Robert” experience you will witness.
Comment By: D.E.
May 4th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
BlessingID seems to think that some great division must be made, and you either follow Bj and Alpha and believe everything they say or follow Robert, and believe everything he says. I am also a GEG member, and I can tell you that not every GEG member is so one sided and should be responsible for reading in between the lines, even if you don’t like the boys against Robert. I even think one of them is totally nuts, but when it comes to our situation, they are asking the same fair questions that I am asking.
Something is very wrong with GEG, and everyone knows it. I’ve been through too many programs and clubs that have washed out to know the trouble signs, and GEG has aligned itself with many of those signs. I don’t know if I will get my money, and I do know this will sound a little negative, but I think our money has been lost, squandered, and maybe some of both.
I wanted to just share my opinion as a member, but I leave my identity as a nickname, because some GEG tattle police like to report anyone they can to Robert. This is all getting very frustrating.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
May 4th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
D.E. I agree with what you wrote but just wanted to point out that Bea {Alphabest} is a “she” and not one of the “boys.” I’m not trying to be nit picky I’ve just really been following all this Guardian jabber since a buddy of mine asked me to look into it. Like you I know the smell that comes from a scam that is starting to stink and Tricky Traves doesn’t have as many people fooled as he thinks he does.
I also wanted to say that I do sympathize with you and even Blessing in disguise and other people who don’t realize what they had their money involved in yet. I was reading some of my old posts and I know I may come across as arrogant but all I really want to see is people coming back to reality and sticking up for themselves.
Tricky Traves hasn’t paid anyone in months and you’d think other Guardian people would see the major issues with that alone but it seems the Tricky Traves Klan juice is a strong potion. These Traves flockies are only buying him more time when he should be getting bombarded with demands and questions.
It’s all going to end very soon. The question is will it end with a smart dash from the trickster himself or will it end with Tricky Traves behind bars?
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
May 4th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I’d like to respond to the posts from DE and Ray of light.
The absolute truth is I choose not to express any concerns on a public forum. I have no need to do it here because this is not the place to get answers. And yes…I did find ROL posts very arrogant.
Also, I found it funny that ROL called BJ and independent thinker in his original post. I literally laughed out loud because many people know of BJ’s ways. He posts things without checking facts and practically admitted today on MMG when he finally got proof of Robert’s previous names. There is so much on his blog that is completely false and can be proven so.
Frankly I don’t care if his name is Rumplestilskin.
We have private chats where things are discussed and that is where they will only be discussed. Many people have important contacts and in this situation its important to have connections and people who have the same interest and some answers as well.
Again, ROL or DE, most of us just choose not to express anything of importance publicly. We do it amongst the private chats and that is where it should be done. There are all kinds of opinions so you are wrong about what we may or may not think.
No updates will be discussed though, just info that we can.
Comment By: Playboy
May 5th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Game Over!
Insert more coins. Maybe you can break the record and get alot of points!
Or, perhaps not…
Comment By: name
June 23rd, 2010 at 9:15 am
June 21. Still just a potato.
Comment By: Steelshins
July 4th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
I can’t believe how often this happens. Blink twice and july 2010 will turn into july 2011 and people will still hold tight and expect Robert to come through anyday.
Have you Upban Geg people heard about a lit’l scam called V lane and Gms? They have promised return pay to their invested crew nearly 2 years now! Nothing ever comes and nothing ever will.
Denial is rough but you have to know when you have been done in. Upban profit days have long gone and these people are just chasing after the breeze.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 5th, 2010 at 11:51 am
I tried to be the voice of reason months ago and you can see very easily that it wasn’t received well. I’m noticing that happens to be the case with anyone on any forum that speaks out against anything relating to Guardian.
Guardian people are no better off today and they still insist that Tricky Traves is an idol worth praising. All the lies. All the secrecy. All the waiting. All for nothing!
Will they praise him all the way to 2011? I think they might. I really think most people that still support Tricky Traves are desperate and just want to keep this dream alive that Guardian still has something worth paying out.
Rough waters ahead for the believers.
Comment By: LBrazier
July 5th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
I put no confidence here. I just have empathy for investors
Like others the GEG opportunity presented itself to me. I said no. I dont just send money to people because they have a website and promise me they are going to invest it for me. Please come on. GEG seems to have religious connection and is usual with hyip scam. Robert now makes excuses about alertpay restricting payments. Why would they do that if didn’t flag Robert for some suspicion?
Best bet is to report to united states AG and then move on. Hope that alertpay and others are holding anything Robert will try to use for bar money and condo rent next month.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 6th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
That was a wise decision LBrazier. I wish more Guardian people could see what you already understand. Guardian is nothing more than cheers and testimonies from people that obviously aren’t investment savvy.
I don’t know anything about Alertpay and Guardian or Tricky Traves. They may have blocked Tricky Traves as a suspicious merchant because of all the red flags lately.
Comment By: Donna
July 7th, 2010 at 11:35 am
I believe this Robert should just come clean and stop making excuses for not having the money to send.My question is if this is for real why all the secretes? GEG/Upban have gone to alot of trouble to look like the real deal DR trips statements posted weekly whats up with this????
Comment By: LBrazier
July 8th, 2010 at 12:53 am
LOL for Robert to come clean he would have to admit that he was guilty of a crime. That is not going to happen. He may be an ass and a scammer. But he is not that stupid.
Those DR trips seem all the rave to GEG investors. Sounds like strategy to me. Who wants to bet Robert pays people to falsify info? Any takers?
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 10th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
“Really? That’s very interesting considering that many of your fellow members don’t share your optimism; in fact, they have sent me personal messages and e-mails (one of them even sent last night) saying they’ve officially written their GEG “investments” off as a loss and/or believe Traves is a complete fraudster.
The excuses and promises Traves is offering behind doors to his membership appears to only satisfy those who share this firm (but pointless) faith in whatever he says.”
Actually this quote from you Ryz is very interesting as well. You accept these PM’s and emails from people you don’t know and take it as fact. Do you know who these people are? I will bet that none of them has any real knowledge of what is happening behind the scenes, and are pretty much standing, watching and waiting when there are plenty of ways of making legitimate inquiries without causing trouble.
One thing I have learned about being online is that many, many people are just too lazy and have no understanding of how to really reach people to find out facts. One can be polite and intelligent and get much more info then whining on forums as most of these people do. This is their only method of communication.
Nope, your arguments Ryz are just as lame as any I have read so far.
Comment By: Mr. Ryz
July 10th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Sorry BlessingInDisguise. I can tell by your tone that you are extremely frustrated with the status of GEG / Upban.
I’ve decided to let you keep your post this time, but in the future, I won’t tolerate immature insults such as “being lame” unless you have something worthwhile to add to your comments. This is a private comment board, and I reserve the right to disable and/or delete any comments that are directly intended to attack me in my efforts to warn about probable ponzi schemes. The “arguments” against GEG / Upban, that you have attempted to twist, have been displayed in this article and countless comments by me and others. The opinions enclosed in the “private testimones” sent to me (as referred to earlier) against GEG are clearly not the meat of contender’s (include me) argument against GEG / Upban.
But while we’re on that topic – For your information – I do personally know and HAVE known (implying long-term) many people with invested interests in GEG / Upban. I’m not about to disrespect their rights to privacy and confidentiality by handing out names to prove it to you, because no one stands anything to gain by doing so and, quite frankly, I have no interest in seeking your approval. You curiously support this crude, unprofessional wreck of an “investment program” and will probably not see Traves’ true face until the end.
I will continue challenging this GEG farce, when necessary, because it’s likely a cruel series of deceitful tactics that will end up hurting many good people, some of which I consider friends. If loyal “Traves followers” want to stay in their own box and “believe,” they can. I’ll continue pointing out the reality.
- Mr. Ryz
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 10th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
I received a feed for BIDs comment and just had to see if progress was being made or if the funny farm came back out to play. I don’t know why I was so optimisic. This was definitely disapointing .
BID I can’t tell if the Traves koolaid has completely dissolved your noodles away to nothing or if you’re just insane. You really think what you are doing is considered fact finding? Talking to people that have seen Traves for a couple days and drank the same koolaid? People that fall for anything and everything he says without having any way to verify that his golden investment is even performing with enough cash to settle the investment claims he promises in the next 20 years much less by the end of 2010?
Do you know what is hapening behind the scenes BID? I hope this isn’t you admitting to be an accomplice to the grief that Traves has spread. So instead are you an analyst? An auditor? A businessman or businesswomen? Give just one of us a reason to think anything behind the scenes is worth more than a cheap circus show.
I think your sub conscious make be getting the best of you here? Maybe Mr Ryz is right that you speak out of frustration? You just may not realize it? You try to make yourself feel better by calling people forum whiners but treating Tricky Traves as some kind of god is only making you look like the fool.
Take your own advice here. Stop being lazy and gain an understanding of real facts. Teach yourself real investments and stop giving your money away to hyip scam artists who promise you pots of gold at the end of the rainbow. They never pan out. Hyip investing is the model of laziness. If hyip people like you were really into finding facts in this world they’d see how unremittingly stupid it is to give your money away to some run around island dweller who won’t even provide you with a limited quarterly statement!
I hope you don’t stay this blind forever. I don’t think you’re a bad person or anything but I think you’re behaving like a freaked cornered animal. The only thing the people cornering you want to do is give you some much needed medicine.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 10th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
ps where is that Mr. Ryz quote from?
I’m been looking all over and I’m not seeing where that was taken from.
Comment By: Mr. Ryz
July 10th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
A Few Rays Of Light,
The quote listed by BlessingInDisguise came from a post I made in the GEG section at MoneyMakerGroup (MMG) Forums.
Apparently, I’m important enough to have stalkers around every corner. Maybe I should take it as a compliment?
My whole point is that I’m not going to tolerate desperate pot shots from HYIP cheerleaders. If you’re going to ruffle through convenient context and then throw a tantrum by coming up with nothing more than hasty assumptions about my own testimonies elsewhere, then you are a trouble maker and not welcome as a contributor on the PSA blog.
You seem to have a transparent grasp of logic when analyzing high yield clubs that share every aspect of the phrase “too good to be true.” Some GEG members are just going to have the learn this the hard way. That’s all. I do have sympathy for those that will lose their “investment” and I hope the lesson sticks with them.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 10th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Okay I follow you now. I don’t wander through Mmg or any of those other forums much anymore. Scams littered to the sky.
I too am sorry you have friends involved with Tricky Traves. I talk with current members about this and their findings and feelings aren’t too different from what you said on forums. If a Traves flockie like BID wants to void their opinion or not believe me then LOL see if I give a rip.
If the lack of investment evidence and endless stalling and hostility by management and senseless secrecy and similarities to past hyip island runners isn’t enough for someone to see that Tricky Traves is pulling ponzi scam strings then they can just go on and watch the rest of the movie expecting a happy ending. They’ll be very disapointed though.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 11th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Ryz, I was not asking for any names. I know of at least one person you do know and promote his own program wtih him. He is also setting up his own program in similar ways to GEG.
I’ve realized that many people who post here or on MMG are not even in GEG and much of what they hear is from disgruntled members who really do not have knowledge of what is going on in the background….nor do you.
I don’t know everything but I do know a lot. I know things about Cullen that are not out on the internet and have facts from people who literally witnessed what he was trying to do.
Out of all the scams on the internet, can you name one where they offer training so you can trade along with their traders? I have done it with them and learned a lot after a 3 hour online free session.
I have personal friends who I have met who are about as honest as they come and have met Robert on more than one occasion and have seen him do his work.
Stalling is one word and overcoming obstacles is another especially based on people who have tried to get in the way.
It may benefit you to show some humility because you are not that important. I just choose not to post on MMG for various reasons, especially since the same people post who do that for a living even if they have know real knowledge of the company and somehow find pleasure in being miserable people.
That is all I will say because I can at minimum guarantee that most who post here as well have no real knowledge of what is happening to get people paid.
Also Ryz, my frustration is not with GEG so what you sensed is completely wrong, its with the people who post who absolutely do not have any connections whatsoever and just whine and cry on forums when they could actually contact people through IM’s on the GEG forum and make contacts.
So much of what I read is completely erroneous but I have said my peace because I know its falling on deaf ears at this point.
Comment By: Mr. Ryz
July 11th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Hello BlessingInDisguise,
I believe you are being honest about your beliefs. More or less, I can understand where you are coming from.
However, if you were to examine what you’ve described from my side of the fence, you’d feel very differently. What you say isn’t so much “falling on deaf ears” as it is “viewed as pointless” by many in terms of demonstrating that GEG / Upban deserves more respect than it has been given by most contenders.
I cannot begin to describe how similar your above testimony sounds to many other participants involved in previous ponzi schemes that truly believed they were involved in a unique, private investment opportunity. “I and many other very ‘honest’ people have met (insert admin) and have seen his (or her) investment activity.” – Variations of this claim have been used countless times before in multiple scams, and I’m afraid unless you can offer proof to go along with such a testimony, it does nothing to boost GEG’s credibility. Therefore, the ponzi scheme red flags still heavily outweigh this and other similar testimonies.
The program you mentioned in your very first paragraph outlines a fine array of proof, including real time trading activity, to not only it’s own investors, but also qualified guests. If Robert / Traves has similar investment technology and/or strategies, why does he keep it concealed like a shady secret?
It appears that many members are afraid to post any “insider news” about GEG, due to the “unspoken rule” about HYIP administrators terminating and stealing from any opposition. Those that do come forward to me privately vent their frustrations and admit they think they’ve been “duped.” In fact I just received yet another e-mail last night from a GEG member that thanked me for my contributions and flat-out called GEG a “scam.” Apparently, these “insider testimonies” about Robert / Traves’ glorious investment methodologies aren’t satisfying their desire for proof either. I think common sense is starting to sink in and GEG members are starting to realize how ridiculous this void of due diligence has always been.
I’m sorry if this isn’t “humble” enough for some, but I’m not trying to compete for any fame here. I just want to point out the red flags so victims can understand the highly probable truth about Robert / Traves and prepare to take action.
- Mr. Ryz
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 11th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Mr. Ryz,
The brokerage firm is not yet fully functional so therefore I and others will not promote it on the internet. Once it is, I will put the link on my blog and promote it elsewhere. This is not a secret. It will take time. I’ll send the link to you if you would like. I just won’t do it until everything is in order and from what I have seen of it, it may be very soon.
Insider news is exactly that. There are people who can be trusted with info and others who cannot and that has been proven by people who post updates on public forums when this is information for the members. I don’t see why that is such a problem. Once the brokerage is fully up and running then there will not be insider news. Anyone can learn to trade, belong to the brokerage, or invest so that the traders will trade for them.
I do feel that I have to reiterate though that there are many members with no contacts at all, not even from their sponsors. Some of us just have some “insider info” because we do our work, care about the company and want to see everyone succeed. Others were out there just for referrals and that fee was nominal.
I only have a couple of referrals from when the company just started and the rest of the people on my list are people who have entrusted me to give them info when I can. I never say anything that I don’t know for a fact. Never!!
I do know traders who have gone to the seminars and have heard testimonies from them. I know them. They are not people trying to recruit or convince. I have probably been associated with GEG longer than they have.
Most importantly, I do not recruit for this program. As a matter of fact, I have started accounts for people on my own.
The point I am making is that Robert does not have to give out all of what he does to everyone until he has all he wants to accomplish and many people choose to call things a scam the moment things are not running smoothly.
He may have made some mistakes and let things get out of hand by trusting certain people but it takes some time to clog up all those holes.
I understand you have heard similar things, as have I about certain programs, but there is too much here that is different. If he was going to scam, there are too many ways he could have done that by now and why let everyone know where you live and offer seminars continually….I believe one started today.
It is not logical that a scammer would do that. You may see some things as red flags as have others, but they could legitamely be some very real obstacles that will be overcome.
The fact is Mr. Ryz js that I do know things and have never been told not to say them. I choose not to because I want to see things pan out for everyone and there are too many people out there on this internet who are completely not trustworthy and freak out the minute things don’t go their way and choose to cry and scream.
I’ve worked with many kids in my career and I can attest that many of the “adults” who participate in these programs are much more needy and the first to feel that they have been duped than any student I have ever had.
Once again, I can almost guarantee that the people who scream scam have not one ounce of knowledge or connections so that they can ask questions or learn to find out for themselves. They are certainly not on my list.
Sincerely,
Blessing In Disguise
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 11th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Mr. Ryz,
I want to address a few of your comments. First of all, the brokerage firm is not a secret but at this point is not fully functional and will not be totally promoted until it is. I will promote it on my blog and even send you the link as soon as it is ready to be promoted. It is not solely for investors and I have seen it all ready. It is absolutely not a secret. In fact, many of us will be promoting it once we are given the green light.
Once again, I can almost guarantee that the people who are emailing you have sponsors who know nothing or don’t try to find out anything. They probably have few people who they can speak to about their concerns so choose to use forums to vent their frustrations.
I have many people who I contact about information I find out but only give info that is pertinent to what they need to know. I do not blame Robert for one moment for not giving out all he is doing until it is done and done right. You must know that there are many people on the internet who cannot be trusted and one must be careful to ensure that the information only goes into the right hands.
Having dealt with young people for most of my career, I can assure you that many of the people I have met on the internet are much more needy and ready to cry scam and being duped than any teenager I have ever taught.
When things don’t go the way as they have planned in their heads, many people just lose it rather than do something about finding out more info. I know that for a fact.
I am not recruiting for this program and only have a few referrals from the very beginning. My point is I have many people I actually know who have done the trading with Robert and it will be open to everyone in due time. Why would he want to throw out a program on the internet that is not going to work or is not as ready as it can be? That would not make sense.
Why would Robert have seminars going on as we speak where you can meet and talk to him, learn from his traders, etc if he was not going to pay? Its just not logical.
Some people see some of the delays as red flags and others look at them as protection from the people who have tried to actually take over the program and put it in their own name. I’ve seen the documents.
Any bank or PP would be hesitant if they are getting calls from nervous nellies and that is just one of the obstacles that he has had to deal with, especially with the scope of this company.
I will not go into any more details, but certain things on MMG that were said are absolutely not true and Robert is taking control of the accounts in every way.
So that is it. I am not trying to convince you but if people are going to read this then they should also read from someone who knows more than many of the people who choose to post, complain and whine.
Sincerely,
Blessing In Disguise
Comment By: Mr. Ryz
July 12th, 2010 at 12:00 am
BlessingInDisguise, now we’re just going around in circles.
You keep insisting that this inside information you have about Robert / Traves and his future for GEG / Upban is reason for us to assume its legitimacy as opposed to weighing the many ponzi scheme red flags. Ponzi History and financial common sense dictates that your direction is not wise.
You specifically refer to this theory that if “Robert was going to scam people, he would be gone by now.” You also keep insisting that GEG is so “different” from all the other ponzi schemes that have shown the identical signs. Do you have idea how many similar sophisticated ponzi scheme respondents and participants have claimed exactly that?
If you want a modern example (and there are several), investigate the Pathway-2-Prosperity tragedy, headed by Nicholas Smirnow. He led his people to believe for months, even a full year, that he was going to pay them, all the while sending key individuals to calm his loyal membership with testimonies including the lines “I have seen Nick’s investment model and his assets and it’s real…” and “The future is bright for P2P investors. Nick is so honest.”
After months upon months of stalling and lying, Nick fled to Canada and escaped with millions of dollars. He is now wanted by U.S. and Canadian authorities. I don’t claim to entirely know why administrators stall and torture their membership for months by making false claims up the wall. I imagine they do it once they realize their ponzi pool is drying up and desperately need to buy some time and/or breathing space to plan their next move. Many of Nick’s followers were as loyal as GEG’s, and that membership blind faith always plays a large factor in the operator’s ability to escape.
I know you either have met with Robert / Traves and/or know “honest people” who have done the same and believe they have seen some golden profit machine, but…
(1. Unless you’re an expert, the documents and “proof” you think you viewed may have been fake, forged, etc. (this is common in sophisticated ponzi schemes)
(2. You have absolutely no way of proving it
(3. For all we know, you are being directly influenced by Traves / Robert himself – perhaps even in the form of compensation – to make these claims (this is no attempt to start conspiracy theories, as I have no proof of your interactions, personally, but it is certainly possible given the nature of this shady endeavor).
You can claim one of your contacts within GEG is St. Peter himself, but at the end of the day, it’s still a mere testimony – Unproven and therefore a hollow argument in an attempt to place GEG in a better light.
I will, respectfully, tell you the same thing I have told other GEG supporters that continued to repeat themselves to no credit – Once you have concrete evidence showing the true investment structure of GEG, such as trading reports, audited financial statements, etc. please let me know. Otherwise, you are wasting your time and our time.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d love to see an opportunity to earn 20% on my investments and see current GEG members get paid. I’d simply be a fool for holding my breath. GEG shows all the indications of con artist’s attempt to buy just a little more time.
- Mr. Ryz
Comment By: Don't buy it
July 12th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
I don’t know who some of these people are, pledging their confidence in Robert and saying they have seen all this good stuff to come, but whoever they are, they sure don’t seem to have any damn clue how stupid GEG is starting to look.
I knew P2P very well!! Many others like it too!! Any one remember Cashlink or Tristar?? Once the pay stops coming in the ride is over. These promises of new websites, server change ,corporations HAH! Just baloney to keep members from seeking early gov’t help!!!!
I had $1000s in this. I know 9 lawyers in 6 different states, three are international experts. I know a couple private invesitgators. I know an FBI agent. I know what you’re doing Robert > Traves B. You are going to pay in one way or nother.
Mr. Ryz please keep my email secret for now. I don’t want to be bothered by these idiots who don’t have any business sense and love Traves brownlee. I don’t think they have a flicking clue how a forex ponzi works!!!
Comment By: Mr. Ryz
July 12th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Dear Don’t buy it,
No worries. Your information will be kept confidential as requested.
- Mr. Ryz
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 13th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
I find it very unfortunate that you fail to address some very basic questions Mr. Ryz. How you can put P2P in the same league as GEG and what Robert is doing totally baffles me.
You have not addressed the fact that GEG now has a brokerage where you can learn to trade from GEG’s traders. You can literally go online and learn or attend a seminar and have them teach you on a one to one basis. Did P2P and Nick offer you these options? My best guess is no and even though I had a tiny amount in P2P it was probably one of my first experiences.
We are not going around in circles because the situations are not the same at all. You can physically go and visit Robert, take a seminar and ask all the questions you want.
The latest update was one of the most thorough updates I have read so far and all is coming into place.
As for all the Nervous Nellies, just get a grip and find someone you can talk to who actually knows something instead of reading the forums from people who revel in other’s misery.
You can watch the trades happen in real time if you wish and I that is not a joke. I don’t believe Nick was letting that happen nor the others from Cashlink and the others who went down.
Instead of constantly being so negative, look at the logical side for a change. Semianars are happening as we speak and that is to learn how to trade on your own. I’ve done it and seen it…..being a novice at trading I learned a heck of a lot 3 hours online. Shoot, I even took notes, went to babybips.com and was able to put more together.
Unfortunately, there are always people who cry scam without going to sources because they do not know how to. The internet is perfect for them because essentially they are anonymous.
I will post here when the brokerage is fully functional and promote it on my blog as well. I’ve slacked on that aspect but I would be more than happy to give more people knowledge of the potential they can have of their own money, whether they let GEG trade for you or you learn to trade via GEG.
Mr. Ryz and others, I may sound like a cheerleader to all of you (though I was when I was a kid) but the fact is my morals would never allow me to say things that I don’t believe are true and that is from a lot of investigation.
Say what you want about me but I do know absolute facts…get that…facts…and I do not need to post them here nor elsewhere.
I’ve said before, I have seen too many people on the internet who have no capabilities of finding the truth and would not no where to start. Conservatively, I would say about 80% and that is most definitely conservative.
So take this post as any of you wish to interpret it…..
That is all.
BlessingInDisguise
Comment By: Mr. Ryz
July 13th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
BlessingInDisguise,
Please return when you can prove these “facts” you speak of. Otherwise, as I’ve implied before, it just sounds like an emotional speech defending a shady program showing all the red flags of a ponzi scheme on the verge of collapse.
Your definition of “negativity” is interesting, to say the least. Weighing red flags and available proof is logical to me and most people who understand business and finance. Random, emphatic testimonies that resemble previous advocates of other sophisticated ponzi schemes? Not very logical to me, sorry.
Also, if members can so easily see proof of trading activity through this “brokerage,” why are so many members voicing their frustrations about lack of communication and transparency from Traves’ side? Why have so many people stopped trusting him? Are you one of the lucky exceptions that have been trusted with this information? Why isn’t he privately proving and sharing this information with his own “investors” to maintain professionalism and ensure them that a GEG / Upban future exists?
GEG isn’t unlike P2P until these trade demonstrations are proven to be more than a myth. Good luck.
- Mr. Ryz
P.S. How much did you pay for Traves’ “seminar”?
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 13th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Hmph what a load of babble!
BID you claimed that you have done these wonderous investigations of Traves V Brownlee and GEG right? Pardon my arrogance here again if it seems so but WHO THE HELL ARE YOU anyway? LOL
You say you deal with young people. But what is your experience with investments? How about legal works behind investments? I’m not even talking about blowing a hole through SEC regs since most Tricky Traves lovers think they are invisible to the world somehow. But just in your ability to see a brokerage in writing or on a screen and know the difference between real and a sly but fake script.
What is your experience? I think everyone here members and non members are dying to know!
You want us to put aside the blaring ‘ Scammer ‘ alarm because you’ve come online with a cute alias and post that you’ve done all this research and think Tricky Traves is being honest? Do you even understand what you’ve been doing here? Just very aggresive cheerleading!
This is becoming ridiculous. You haven’t offered a single thing that should be accepted as fact. Mr. Ryz said it all and I don’t need to go further. Put up or shut up.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 13th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
To GEG members and Tricky Traves victims who have figured out that you’re being treated like total trash. Start making complaints to the SEC and FBI and then to the attorney general of your state! This is a very big scam and you may still recover some of what you lost.
If you do nothing then you will guarantee that you recover nothing! Act now.
Comment By: Don't buy it
July 13th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Already ahead of you! I’ll keep complaining until I get my money.
I deserve to know what is happening to my money!!! Even if I can’t afford to fly to a different continent, it’s my money and I deserve to know! This seminar bullshit is getting real old!!
Only few have confidenece in Robert anymore. He has been very dishonest! I’ll bet you anything he is trying to scam.
I can tell this Blessing in disgusie is new to this scam experience and must not have seen the pathway2prosperity battles.
Yea to set you straight, you do sound just like people who cheered on P2P and cashlink. Someone who promises they have seen the admin and investments and that we will all be in good hands ,but can’t prove one damn thing!!
Ey I wonder if the Robert scammer from cashlink is the same fake Robert in Guardian Eq? Wouldnt’ surprise me any!!!
Comment By: Don't buy it
July 13th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Insightful posts!! This is what is going on, and stupid cheerleaders can blow Travs as long as they want. Heis going to prison!
This is perhaps the biggest ponzi scam since P2P and Bernie Madoff. Run by a dubious character with two different names. Robert Ledesma aka Travis Brownlee.
Partners have been given phoney documentation, invested literally thousands into this fraud.
In spite of being warned repeatedly by members who are in the “know” they are still ignoring the blatant facts that there is no money. No trades, and no chance of recovering funds.
Idiots like ponzi tools wmawhite, merimar, sessi, unknown, help this scammer get away with this crime by continuing to cheer lead and lie for the Boss in hopes of attracting his favor; ie: getting PAID where others will not be. Pitiful creatures.
Nothing lower than scums like these.
Travis Brownlee must not wriggle out of this one.
It’s time to start reporting Robert Ledesma aka Travis Brownlee to all authorities. Police, FBI, US Attorney, A. Cortney Cox, etc. He should spend the rest of his life in prison where he belongs with P2P Nick together.
Comment By: crownzaucer
July 13th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
I can’t believe there’s even an argument here. after seeing the morons who were bowing down to Robert in the last GEG thread I was just going to keep watching this thread develop and keep laughing until these Robert’s fan club dolts finally figured out that everything they’d been told was a lie. well here we are again, and now some people are starting to get it while others are still drinking away the GEG koolaid.
Yeah yeah we’ve all heard it before. you Robert groupies saw him and believed him when he talked about a few numbers and showed you some forex thing in his name. now he’s off to use stolen GEG peoples funds to build some bankcorp shell to make his scam look real long enough to run and hide again.
Remember this is super star Robert who said he could do 5% roi every week for a year in forex even when the economy was shaking like a storm on the sea. and we’re to believe all this time he’s just worried about the wrong people getting the wrong information? that’s why no information is available? LOL!!!
Hey GEG people I know for some of you this is the first time you’ve joined one of these programs. know that if you listen to Robert’s clowns about just waiting tight for some bank corp to be established, you are just buying him more time to run off and screw you forever. do the smart thing! report him while he’s still in the dominican republic, tell others to do the same thing and hope the FBI gets enough reports to can this dirty scammer. this is where you need to go now!
http://www.sec.gov/complaint.shtml
http://www.ic3.gov
Comment By: Mr. Ryz
July 14th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
In terms of weighing the evidence against GEG, I don’t think people should bother too much with what optimistic members claim Traves is “about to do,” as much as the reality behind what he has “already claimed to do” with debt owed to all GEG membership.
Aiming for 20% (+) ROI / month involves an extremely aggressive and risky strategy – this applies to any market, not just forex.
With abnormal risk comes higher volatility; this usually means “negative” returns from time to time. The rates Robert / Traves was claiming to earn were so far on the opposite side of the “conservative trading” spectrum, that he would have encountered intense volatility, most likely some months with negative earnings well below -30%.
Don’t just take my word for this. Talk to experienced forex traders that can prove their involvement in the markets. Most of them will agree that a strategy involving 20% (+) ROI / month is “absolutely ridiculous,” an “impossible accomplishment in the long-term” and a one way ticket to eventually suffering turbulence from a horrendous, unforecasted period in which the entire account will be depleted by 50% or even more. The entire account could be wiped out in 2-3 months.
However, Traves would like you to believe that GEG is the world’s sole exception to this common rule of risk and volatility. He wants you to believe that 5% / week or 20% / month is possible for 1 year (+) with no drawdowns or major obstacles. Furthermore, Traves refuses to provide even one professional document of trading proof and has delayed rightful claims to his investors for several months. How convenient.
Traves and his most loyal followers won’t mention this. They only care to discuss a “bank corp” that Traves and crew are supposedly working very hard to bring members, in hopes of balancing all the tension. “Bank corp” or no “bank corp” that appears in the near future – it doesn’t change the ridiculous nature of Traves’ investment / trading claims. Nor does it exempt him from being looked upon as a likely ponzi scheme operator until he can prove his ability to accomplish a nearly impossible feature with forex trading.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 14th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Exactly that. These Tricky Traves flockies don’t know anything about managing forex funds. Some of them are whisked away to the DR and given superficial evidence and training on forex and how Guardian trades. They believe because they don’t know any better and they are dying to trust in Tricky Traves no matter what he tells them.
That’s not research. If they had researched real private investment funds the 20% pattern would have given them second thoughts. Tricky Traves is not a god. If Guardian was this powerful I’m sure Warren Buffet would have put in his bid for $x billion and that would have been that. Tricky Traves would never open this up to just anyone under 8 figures.
I don’t think the bankcorp matters any. Say it’s created. Who cares? He might just use it to set up an entirely new ponzi scam! Tricky Traves seems to have enough flockies on his side to give him the time to re scam with his forex tale.
He may be a scammer but I don’t think he’s stupid. Watch out for a second scam!
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 16th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Don’t Buy it
“Idiots like ponzi tools wmawhite, merimar, sessi, unknown, help this scammer get away with this crime by continuing to cheer lead and lie for the Boss in hopes of attracting his favor; ie: getting PAID where others will not be. Pitiful creatures.”
Do you know any of these people? I highly doubt it because you would never have written that ridiculous statement.
If you even bother to ask, I personally know each and every one of them and NONE of them even promote. They are intelligent people who know the truth which only shows how much you do not know.
Why don’t you keep people’s usernames out of it because you clearly are clueless about who is knowledgeble and who is not.
Best of luck to you and hopefully you can get some information from people who do have knowledge of what is going on.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 17th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Payouts are being made. Just heard about a few yesterday and no I am not giving details.
Maybe this will stop the whining for good.
Best of luck to you all.
Comment By: Ann
July 17th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Yep payouts are in peoples hands as I type this…maby it will stop some of the garbage being posted…
Comment By: crownzaucer
July 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Of course payouts are being made. keyword there is a FEW. who really cares? i’m sure Robert is being very selective in the process. is he not still drawing money in from all these crazy seminars he’s been hosting? who knows what other illegal means he’s used to raise some fast money.
This may calm some people down for a day, maybe two. but the most frustrated and aware aren’t going to buy into this unless they see all the money that they are owed. a FEW payouts isn’t going to clear Robert. you’ve gotta be kidding me.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 17th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
He has started the process as he said he would.
It will take time and he will use different methods. Period.
Comment By: crownzaucer
July 17th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Its all talk until he completes that process. how many people have been paid? do you have a count?
I know he’s going to try to use different methods. I already said that. hosting some more seminars maybe? starting new ponzi programs under different names? wouldn’t surprise me. just don’t hold your breath thinking Robert is going to pay you everything he promised. unless you’re a just a big shill and he’s paying you because you’re on his favorites list.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 17th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Here is the generic link to the brokerage.
http://fpliberty.com
That is a lot of work to do when you are going to take the money and run…or maybe it is actually the real thing.
Comment By: crownzaucer
July 17th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
A website with a few pictures and a bunch of unfinished pages? that’s really it? gee all this time I really thought Robert was building some really unique excuse to buy himself some more time. if anyone thinks this proves Robert is the real thing, boy oh boy I don’t even want to know what other crap they have their money in right now.
Is Robert already accepting money from people for this new project? are they paying for these accounts? because that would also explain how he’s paying past payouts promised from the guardian equity ponzi! LOOOL! combine that with his seminar bs, how have you not put this together? what a joke!
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 17th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Wrong again crownzaucer. I do not lie and I am waiting to be paid. I know a lot of people and I get info from them daily.
That is the honest truth so don’t call me a paid liar.
Thank you.
Comment By: crownzaucer
July 17th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
I didn’t call you a paid liar. I wouldn’t expect you or many people to be paid yet. the great Robert is probably only paying off his favorites as I just said. if he gets through enough people on his list, then you might be a paid liar. I don’t know. actually I don’t know if i’d call you a liar. probably more of an ignorant cheerleader.
Let’s hope you aren’t a paid Robert shill because you just might be included in the government lawsuit that’s going to hit his ponzi circle like a 10 ton brick.
Comment By: Don't buy it
July 21st, 2010 at 2:31 am
Hey blessing in disguise.
Geeez I sure am glad you know so much!! What would I do without you?
Our fears are over and we can sleep soundly tonight! All because Robert said he’d pay the first couple people on his list of thousans. And because he hired some mangee foreigner to build some half assed website!!
Um no.
The only thing your knowledge is good for is buying this scam more life!! We are not being paid! Robert stalls and stalls ans stalls.
Go learn about hyip scams and then come talk about all your knowledge. You don’t know a thing!!
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 21st, 2010 at 10:17 am
I did not reply to your last comment because you say the same things over and over. Sorry, but you must not have a single connection about people being paid, how much, etc.
I do and will not share it here.
Try to keep your anger in check, its not good for your health.
Comment By: Don't buy it
July 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm
I get sick of your Robert suck up routine. We have every right to be angry about this scam!! We deserved to be paid 7 months ago!
You are one saying the same things over and over. About all the knowledge you have and all the people you know!! Whatever!
I am starting to think you are trying to bargain with Robert hoping he’ll move you to the top of the list. Pay you before this scam flatlines!
Comment By: Don't buy it
July 23rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Looks like blessing in disguise went to Money maker group and got banned as the name ” nameisnotimportant “.
Here’s the summary for you all if you don’t want to waste your time reading it at mmg!
” I know people that have been paid and because I say this as some anonymous poster you should call it a FACT!! ”
” Everyone who disagrees with me and thinks Robert is not honest is a complainer and whiner!! ”
” This is all Cullen’s fault!!! Robert is perfect! ”
” If you knew how awesome I was and how much knowledge I have on inside you would never question me or any ponzi I cheer on!!! ”
Here’s a REAL EXAMPLE and quote. Youll see it’s not much different!!
” I don’t take money from people, never have and never will.
I am simply saying to get a network of people who do have some knowledge unlike the others (won’t name names) and ask them instead of complaining like that is the only thing he/she knows how to do. I have to stay in today, but must admit this is all like a broken record.
If you are not in GEG, have no access to real information about the program then you cannot really be giving the most valid advice. I am not saying give money to the brokerage, I’m saying learn more instead of whining on this forum. Period. ”
I’m starting to think this person is a Robert shill. A cold hard shill!!
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm
I can’t possibly be the only one laughing at the irony surrounding Blessing In Disguise’s dialogue.
He/She keeps complaining about people repeating things. Then he/she repeats the same cycle of complaining and whining about all the “complainers” and “whiners.”
It’s hilarious.
I don’t know what to think of BID anymore. Yes BID could be Tricky Traves or his shill for all we know so far. I wouldn’t expect that BID is anymore than a naive investor committed to only believe the positive reinforcements among the GEG community. The problem here is that positive reinforcements from a scammer such as Tricky Traves isn’t going to prevent the GEG’s death.
Comment By: BlessingInDisguise
July 26th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Glad I was able to make you laugh….that is one of the things that I enjoy doing.
@don’t buy it…….maybe you can change your name to Sherlock Holmes. Yeah…been banned from MMG because I originally used my real name as a username and chose to change it due to the NDA.
I don’t care what any of you think. I don’t promote, I only say what I believe and I do not lie. Do you understand that??? I do not lie.
Yes, I have information that some others don’t and that is solely because I am an honest person and don’t screw people. I have only about 2 referrals from the beginning and the rest I sponsored myself from my own money.
I am not here to fight with you or anyone else but I do have a long list of people who I try to update often about anything I hear that can be said when they have no connections.
Yea….its me….but I’m gone now from this place and MMG because I have realized that arguing with people with no knowledge is the same as talking with a wall.
Good luck and take care.
Comment By: A-Few-Rays-Of-Light
July 26th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
I would hope you would take away more than that from this experience BID.
How about posting with a purpose for example. Writing 100 posts about being on the inside loop and having secret knowledge just makes you look suspicious when you can’t prove a word of it.
Next. Protesting your honesty won’t gain you much when you’re dealing with a red flag packing fraudster such as Tricky Traves. Complaining about the exact same thing you repeat on who knows how many forums and blogs doesn’t help either.
You can scream you don’t lie to the high corners of the earth. It adds nothing to your attempt to stick up for Tricky Traves. GEG red flags speak volumes.
That’s all there is to it.